Malaysian Airways Flight 370

[csv8]

"The search and investigation into missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is already the most expensive in aviation history, figures released to Fairfax Media suggest.

The snippets of costings provide only a small snapshot but the $US50 million ($54 million) spent on the two-year probe into Air France flight 447 - the previous record - appears to have been easily surpassed after just four weeks.

The biggest expense involves the military and surveillance hardware - ships, satellites, planes and submarines - deployed for the search, first in the South China Sea and the Malacca Straits, and then in the remote reaches of the southern Indian Ocean.

For example, HMAS Success, the Australian navy replenishment vessel that was deployed two weeks ago, costs about $550,000 a day to operate, a Defence spokesperson said.

HMAS Toowoomba was diverted a week ago to join the hunt for MH370 and has direct costs - fuel, supplies, crew wages - of $380,000 per day.

Combined, the two vessels have cost more than $10 million while in the Indian Ocean, although Defence cautioned they were scheduled to be at sea anyway, so the additional expense to taxpayers of being re-routed was ''estimated to be negligible''.

Even so, the outlay can be included in a calculation of the resources devoted to the search for the Malaysia Airlines passenger jet, which disappeared on March 8 with 239 people on board.

It is also known that the US Navy has allocated $US3.6 million for the deployment of a pinger locator and underwater drone on the vessel that will search for the plane's black box recorders.

On Wednesday, the Pentagon revealed that - aside from the black box locators - it had spent $US3.3 million on its ships and aircraft during operations to locate MH370.

Vietnam, reportedly, spent more than $US8 million searching for the plane in the South China Sea.

Another major expense is the cost of as many as 12 aircraft which scour the seas for plane debris each day.

Geoffrey Dell, an air crash investigation expert from Central Queensland University, said the the daily cost of the aircraft flying 10-hour sorties each day would easily amount to $1 million a day.

Over four weeks, a conservative estimate of the cost of the airborne search - excluding the US planes - would be $25 million so far.

Known costs for the airborne search total an estimated $53 million. Yet this would be a small fraction of the expenditure so far given 26 nations have been involved in the search. More than 40 navy vessels have been involved. China has deployed seven vessels in the Indian Ocean alone.

Then there is the cost of the intelligence analysts, police and air crash investigators from Malaysia, the US, Britain and France, among others.

''It's a lot of money,'' said Air Chief Marshal (retired) Angus Houston on Friday, revealing he would give an overall estimate of the cost at a later date.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has vowed to ''spend what we need to spend to get this job done. It's an act of international citizenship on Australia's part,'' he said before adding, ''at some point there might need to be a reckoning''."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/co...#ixzz2xyN9KAHv

[cram_it_frog]

ok this is going to be interesting

A Female air craft accident investigator said on CNN today

"you get to the point when no more information out there to be found , then what you do is go back to the start and dig deeper and go to higher levels of authority to see what if any thing was not given ,


she said in a number of cases with governments information had been with held and she had to push hard to find out what was actually known


ok so is she saying in a round about way that governments are withholding information many people have said this exact same thing in this form

why cannot they give all that information out in the beginning saves a lot of time and money

[cram_it_frog]

csv8 look at the cost of that ship that went aground costa

Costa on 30 June 2006.[13] She cost €450 million to build

On 17 September 2013 the Costa Concordia was brought to a vertical position through a parbuckling procedure.[41][42] The cost for salvaging the ship increased to $799 million.[43] In addition, the ship had suffered severe hull deformations in two places. Titan Salvage, the company directing the salvage operations, has estimated that the next phase of the salvage operation should be completed by early summer, 2014. After this "floating" operation, the ship will be towed to a salvage yard on the Italian mainland for scrapping or "breaking".


going to be some expensive razor blades out too after the ship is scraped

so who pays all these costs insurance companies and who pays the insurance companies we all do in some way or another

[CJR09]

Originally Posted by cram_it_frog

why cannot they give all that information out in the beginning saves a lot of time and money

I guess it's because it can be misinterpreted and speculated on which then leads to even more ridiculous story telling by the theorists...

[DJR David]

Originally Posted by GT-0733

i wanna know how my tax dollars got involved in another country's problem.

The plane is believed to be missing in our assigned Search and Rescue area. We are required to act on it.

[cram_it_frog]

true but I think that important information like radar coverage and what goverements are colecting in the way of data is where I thought the lady was going the secret stuff ..


who is listning to who on radios and computers sort of thing

[SM1DY]

Over it, wake me up when they find.......anything

[ebzery]

I hope there all up north wa soaking in the sun and not on the sea bottom.
not boat people plane people.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by cram_it_frog

so who pays all these costs insurance companies and who pays the insurance companies we all do in some way or another

I wonder how much of these costs are inflated because it is perceived that 'insurance' will foot the bill? Much the same as many other industries, just on a much larger scale?

Also, how will insurance work if it is eventually found that the pilot intended to cause this to happen? Will there be a diminished payout? Will the Malay Government need to help foot the bill??

[xxx000]

I don't think govts will, or should, go for reimbursement of costs incurred as it's a reciprocal thing around the world

[csv8]

"Malaysia Airlines MH370: Chinese search vessel detects pulse in southern Indian Ocean, according to reports



A Chinese ship searching for missing Malaysia Airlines plane MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean has picked up a pulse signal, according to China's Xinhua news agency.

The state media agency says the signal has a frequency of 37.5 kilohertz per second - the same as those emitted by the flight recorders.

The signal was detected by the Haixun 01 vessel around 25 degrees south latitude and 101 degrees east longitude, the Xinhua agency reports.

However there is no evidence so far that the signal is linked to MH370.

The Boeing 777 plane went missing with 239 people on board, including six Australians, after it vanished off radar screens during a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8.

The black box is equipped with a locator beacon that transmits "pings" when underwater, but which only has an expected battery life of about 30 days.

Dozens of ships and planes have joined the search, with the operation moving into its most intensive phase before batteries on the data recorders fade.

Malaysia says it will appoint an independent investigator to head a team looking into the disappearance of the plane."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-0...-pulse/5370186

[nstg8a]

Hmm, the same vessel that happened to be in the new search area before the search aircraft even got there...

[FPVS3]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Hmm, the same vessel that happened to be in the new search area before the search aircraft even got there...

Hmmmm.....is right.

[csv8]

nstg8a....FPVS3....are we hinting at a conspiracy theory?????

[FPVS3]

Originally Posted by csv8

nstg8a....FPVS3....are we hinting at a conspiracy theory?????

I usually never do conspiracy, think that is cr.p. However, I think it is strange that the chinese suddenly come up with this. I'm sure they're being careful not to be wrong 'cos of the lost of face implications. Hope they have found it, the recorders are found and this mystery put to rest.

[EASYBOSS]

OK, so if they have found it, I know it's no proven yet.

How deep is it at 25 degrees south latitude and 101 degrees east longitude.

[EASYBOSS]

Found the answer to my above question

The area where Haixun may have detected the black box has water depths of 14,000 feet interspersed with undersea mountain ranges of up to 8,200 feet.

In other words DEEEEEEEEEEP

[Trump]

There is only one reason the various govco's around the world would hide information about this plane and its demise. This will sound thoroughly foily, but this plane was set to disappear from the moment thr ground crew at KL began to provide airside services. Whether it is because of its cargo or its passengers is sadly not on the public need to know list.

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Hmm, the same vessel that happened to be in the new search area before the search aircraft even got there...

You do realise that:
There is more ships than aircraft in the search areas?
That the aircraft are working on tracks based on satellite imagery?
That the ships were dispersed to operate in different areas to cover more area?
Aircraft would be reassigned area tracks based on anything a ship or submarine may find?
Chinese naval detection technology is every bit as good and in some cases better than western counterparts?

It comes down to best use of what you have available. This is the first time in over 50 years, that China has permitted its naval forces to be put under the command of a Western nation and the co-operation, had Malaysia worked it as well as Australia has, may have found this aircraft a lot earlier.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Yet still no sign of anything floating???

How can that be possible??? Even of the plane blew up in the air there would be a lot of stuff left floating.... if it crashed and smashed to pieces there would be stuff floating.

Yet, with all the vessels searching and all the technology... not 1 piece of physical evidence.

That, I can't believe. How long would it have taken for loaters to hit land?

[CoupeKing]

The Debris could have drifted 500km, or even more, from where the potential pings were detected. They will just need to allocate more aircraft to this zone now.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by FPVS3

I usually never do conspiracy, think that is cr.p. However, I think it is strange that the chinese suddenly come up with this. I'm sure they're being careful not to be wrong 'cos of the lost of face implications. Hope they have found it, the recorders are found and this mystery put to rest.

Il be a bit blunter.

I think if the Chinese have found its because they put it there.

As said above, the Chinese never let their naval assets be under the control of another country. Never.

When this new area was discovered it was something like 1200 Kim's away from the original one.

The haixun 01 is, I believe, the most advanced patrol/rescue boat in the Chinese inventory, yet they had it searching over 1000km away from everyone else?

13 aircraft, and 11 ships at last count...

I'd say the Chinese know a lot more than they're letting on, as do the Americans, who are strangely quiet.

[EASYBOSS]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

I think if the Chinese have found its because they put it there.

You have got to be kidding, or stop smoking something and April fools has been an gone.

[Pepscobra]

Watching CNN live now... Australian ship Ocean Shield has just confirmed detecting a 'ping' in the vicinity of the Chinese report.
Hopefully we can put rest to this mystery soon and the families can lay rest to their loved ones.

[Bluehoon]

Finding the plane is awesome.

Finding out what happened and bringing it up is a whole other story...

[JC]

The chinese finding a ping? Is that like the english finding a smith? (Anyone remember the story of ping the duck - maybe not....)

Good news, and let's hope it is real.

[CoupeKing]

When both black boxes are finally retrieved, they have to be handed over to the Malaysian authorities, and it will be up to them to dissect the data or pass the investigation straight over to the NTSB. I hope they do the latter just like they did with the Pilots Flight Simulator(FBI). Be rather strange otherwise, considering their transport minister said they dont really have the capacity or the expertise to handle situations like these.

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Il be a bit blunter.

The haixun 01 is, I believe, the most advanced patrol/rescue boat in the Chinese inventory, yet they had it searching over 1000km away from everyone else?

Each ship was reassigned areas to maximise areas of cover. The Chinese were in their assigned area as they were due to head to Albany for provisioining and R&R and probably a little bit of intelligence gathering.

[Yellow_Festiva]

3 signals have been found....

Ok, so are these 3 signals the same signal found by 3 different receivers or 3 separate signals by 3 separate emitters??

Would a crashed plane emit 3 signals? I thought only 1 of the 2 ornage boxes sends out the signal?

Confusing...

[XBROO]

I hope this is it, sometime I wish reporters weren't aloud to report on these sort of things. Because this might just turn out to be another false hope.