First experience .. Vic law regarding passing emergency vehicle - Page 22

**DJR-351** · 19-08-2020, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

https://www.9news.com.au/national/ea...c-f77d92f3aaa7

Looks like he will be spending a fair chunk of his life in the pokey, or at the very least fighting it, either way he's pretty much stuffed.....

Romulus · 19-08-2020, 09:57 PM

How many people can the prosecutor hold accountable for the death of the 4 officers? As I read it, they're charging the driver and the company owner. Is the prosecutor attempting to hold multiple people account or does the buck stop with the person responsible for the fatalities?

Franco Cozzo · 19-08-2020, 10:05 PM

The 'outraging public decency' charge gets me every time - next time I see a woman with blue hair or a bloke in a Hawaiian shirt I'm going to call the police

Franco Cozzo · 19-08-2020, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

How many people can the prosecutor hold accountable for the death of the 4 officers? As I read it, they're charging the driver and the company owner. Is the prosecutor attempting to hold multiple people account or does the buck stop with the person responsible for the fatalities?

If it wasn't their own victims, the investigation wouldn't have gone anywhere near this far with the extra people being called into it and the laced up charges on everyone, if it was you, me and a few other randoms as the victims there'd be no where near as much 'effort' in making an example out of these people.

**Full Noise** · 05-10-2020, 06:15 AM

https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...e4ce87787436eb

Bossxr8 · 05-10-2020, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...e4ce87787436eb

Amazing how much crap Pusey copped, yet this ****stain has basically flown under the radar.

Franco Cozzo · 05-10-2020, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Amazing how much crap Pusey copped, yet this ****stain has basically flown under the radar.

Politically sensitive cause not well to do white man

mondeomatureguy · 05-10-2020, 06:48 PM

The thing is You should not be killed for a simple traffic matter no matter if its.

In 2012 a young women's car broke down on the Hume Highway near Mittagong she was only 23 years old.
A tow truck driver came to pick the car up and as he was doing that a passing courier truck with the driver not paying attention smashed into both of them killing them instantly.

30 years i was a professional driver and ten of those years was driving a truck and i never ran off the road into anybody because i kept my eyes on the road and not playing with my phone or what ever.

Citroënbender · 06-10-2020, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Politically sensitive cause not well to do white man

I’m surprise they haven’t alleged he tested for higher than average levels of melanin.

Tassie f100 · 06-10-2020, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

If it wasn't their own victims, the investigation wouldn't have gone anywhere near this far with the extra people being called into it and the laced up charges on everyone, if it was you, me and a few other randoms as the victims there'd be no where near as much 'effort' in making an example out of these people.

You would have to be right Franko.If some members of the general public were involved there would have been some cursory investigations done.Pusey,s involvement wouldn’t have been considered,neither would the truck drivers,totally unrelated,alleged drug dealings.

Ben73 · 06-10-2020, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Amazing how much crap Pusey copped, yet this ****stain has basically flown under the radar.

Many Australians hate anyone doing better than themselves. That's why they hate the 'rich Porsche ****er'

**M&Ms** · 06-10-2020, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

Many Australians hate anyone doing better than themselves. That's why they hate the 'rich Porsche ****er'

Can't wait until he walks out the courtroom smirking and a free man, just to give it to the corrupt Vic grubberment, equally corrupt HWY patrol, brainless media, and all those who don't like anybody who are mildly more successful than they are.

**GasoLane** · 06-10-2020, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by M&Ms

Can't wait until he walks out the courtroom smirking and a free man, just to give it to the corrupt Vic grubberment, equally corrupt HWY patrol, brainless media, and all those who don't like anybody who are mildly more successful than they are.

Probably more to the point that he can afford a very good legal team.

Adamz Ghia · 06-10-2020, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by M&Ms

Can't wait until he walks out the courtroom smirking and a free man, just to give it to the corrupt Vic grubberment, equally corrupt HWY patrol, brainless media, and all those who don't like anybody who are mildly more successful than they are.

You obviously haven’t seen his history.

**M&Ms** · 06-10-2020, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

You obviously haven’t seen his history.

He's hardly a model citizen, but during this incident it wasn't him that ploughed the semi into the coppers. Last thing anyone wants is a precedent being set here, that if a cop pulls you over, then you're accountable for anything that may happen to them (especially if you're financially a bit better off than average Joe).

Danny · 06-10-2020, 08:45 PM

I wonder how the media commentary and opinions from concerned citizens would have read if the Anglo bloke was in the truck and the migrant was the one pulled over.

Because as it stands, all I can see here is a bloke blindly ploughing a truck into Police whilst they pulled over a bloke guilty of many things, but most of all guilty of being a d**head, and owning a European sports car. Where’s the outrage for the gross idiocy displayed by Singh in the truck (particularly now with the latest information we have)? Or was his mindless effort ploughing through Police merely the result of him being oppressed or exploited by a villainous white privileged employer?

Ben73 · 06-10-2020, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by M&Ms

Can't wait until he walks out the courtroom smirking and a free man, just to give it to the corrupt Vic grubberment, equally corrupt HWY patrol, brainless media, and all those who don't like anybody who are mildly more successful than they are.

Don't get me wrong, he is still a ********. Not because he is rich, but his record and actions show he is a ********. However he is not responsible for the truck driver crashing and killing the police officers.

Bossxr8 · 07-10-2020, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

Many Australians hate anyone doing better than themselves. That's why they hate the 'rich Porsche ****er'

I don't hate him cause he's rich, I hate him because he got rich by ripping people off. Total scumbag.

Adamz Ghia · 07-10-2020, 05:07 PM

Going off on a slight (large) track, I strongly believe judges should be held accountable for people they let out on bail. This bloke has a history and yet was caught again while out on bail. The judge who let him out should be held accountable. The rest of us are in our jobs, they should be no different.

I agree with Boss, I have no issues with people being rich, good on them, I’m even all for the, getting tax cuts. This guy is just a scum bag who shouldn’t have been allowed out of a cell till his hearing.

hayseed · 07-10-2020, 05:26 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...cer-court-told

Tickford. · 07-10-2020, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hayseed

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...cer-court-told

Oh wow, Pusey's barrister is saying his client is ashamed of the 'horrible things' he said to dying police officer. Well f*^k me, there's a news story!

Pusey's barrister said it. Not Pusey. It's not quoting Pusey himself stating HE is ashamed. It's just your standard comment from a barrister, what you would expect your barrister to say to the court. 'He is sorry', 'he is ashamed', etc. etc.

Nothing to see here. Next.

**mad2** · 07-10-2020, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tickford.

Oh wow, Pusey's barrister is saying his client is ashamed of the 'horrible things' he said to dying police officer. Well f*^k me, there's a news story!

Pusey's barrister said it. Not Pusey. It's not quoting Pusey himself stating HE is ashamed. It's just your standard comment from a barrister, what you would expect your barrister to say to the court. 'He is sorry', 'he is ashamed', etc. etc.

Nothing to see here. Next.

they also said .............

"Richard Pusey's lawyers say police 'seriously overcharged' him after fatal Eastern Freeway crash"

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https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...?ocid=msedgntp

Bossxr8 · 08-10-2020, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Going off on a slight (large) track, I strongly believe judges should be held accountable for people they let out on bail. This bloke has a history and yet was caught again while out on bail. The judge who let him out should be held accountable. The rest of us are in our jobs, they should be no different.

I agree with Boss, I have no issues with people being rich, good on them, I’m even all for the, getting tax cuts. This guy is just a scum bag who shouldn’t have been allowed out of a cell till his hearing.

He was never going to held without bail for an assault or whatever minor charge he was on. That's ridiculous.

But yes there have been many cases of criminals on very serious charges that simply should not have been on bail. The Lindt cafe shooter for one.

**Full Noise** · 14-10-2020, 10:10 PM

Four charges dropped "that never should have been laid in the first place" and more to go. Regardless of anyone's views on Mr Pusey, delays with justice like this are absolutely unacceptable and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets bail on Friday.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...arges/12764982

Franco Cozzo · 14-10-2020, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Four charges dropped "that never should have been laid in the first place" and more to go. Regardless of anyone's views on Mr Pusey, delays with justice like this are absolutely unacceptable and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets bail on Friday.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...arges/12764982

Given the current power trip the Victorian government has been on in the last few months, thank god there's lawyers/barristers worth their weight in gold.

Itsme · 15-10-2020, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Four charges dropped "that never should have been laid in the first place" and more to go. Regardless of anyone's views on Mr Pusey, delays with justice like this are absolutely unacceptable and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets bail on Friday.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...arges/12764982

If you read between the lines you know what is happening and that is poetic justice which is very fitting for Mr Pusey, maybe if he was a decent person he would not have been put in his predicament.
If people want to be a smart **** then get treated like a smart ****.

**Full Noise** · 15-10-2020, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Officemanager

If you read between the lines you know what is happening and that is poetic justice which is very fitting for Mr Pusey, maybe if he was a decent person he would not have been put in his predicament.
If people want to be a smart **** then get treated like a smart ****.

With respect, the last time I checked, there is nothing in the statute books that says anything about "poetic justice" or being a decent person when it comes to being charged with a summary or indictable offence. That fact is that justice delayed is justice denied.

My Pusey is entitled to his day in court, as is anyone else in the community. One of the main points here is that even if convicted, Mr Pusey will most likely not spend as much time in jail for the offences as what he's looking at simply with the delays in the court at the moment. It doesn't matter who it is, this is unacceptable. The way that the Victorian Police are handling this is, in my opinion, less than professional. The simple fact that four charges have already been withdrawn show this.

Itsme · 15-10-2020, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

With respect, the last time I checked, there is nothing in the statute books that says anything about "poetic justice" or being a decent person when it comes to being charged with a summary or indictable offence. That fact is that justice delayed is justice denied.

My Pusey is entitled to his day in court, as is anyone else in the community. One of the main points here is that even if convicted, Mr Pusey will most likely not spend as much time in jail for the offences as what he's looking at simply with the delays in the court at the moment. It doesn't matter who it is, this is unacceptable. The way that the Victorian Police are handling this is, in my opinion, less than professional. The simple fact that four charges have already been withdrawn show this.

Of course he will have his day in court and no one denies that but in the meantime the due process takes it time like all other matters that can come before the law courts or have you not noticed that.
He is not the first or last that could be held for a long time in remand while waiting for legal processes to be carried out.
Last of all the police is not handling Mr Pusey case as it is being handled by a Magistrate, all the police did is lay charges against the man which will be handled by the courts.

**Full Noise** · 16-10-2020, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Officemanager

Of course he will have his day in court and no one denies that but in the meantime the due process takes it time like all other matters that can come before the law courts or have you not noticed that.
He is not the first or last that could be held for a long time in remand while waiting for legal processes to be carried out.
Last of all the police is not handling Mr Pusey case as it is being handled by a Magistrate, all the police did is lay charges against the man which will be handled by the courts.

Thanks for your well thought out and detailed analysis of this, it’s much appreciated, however, I’m still pretty sure that it’s the police who laid the charges against Mr Pusey, charges that would never stick and for the prosecution to defend the charges, but anyhoo.

Looks like he got bail, well there you go.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...crash/12774066

**Beastie** · 16-10-2020, 06:30 PM

Turns out that the "Porsche Driver" is a free man out on bail this afternoon.