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11-02-2018, 03:52 PM | #601 | ||
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As I do not have, or intend, to get a Raptor, or any other high riding, dual cab, monster shopping truck for the suburbs, an uneducated opinion.
Diesel engine utes sell well in Australia, because we get no other choice. The majority of utes/ pick-ups / trucks/ whatever are bought by mining companies and land holders in WoopWoop, where diesel engines are flogged all day, every day, so are more economical than petrol. Therefore, the private buyer thinks ‘that’s good enough for them, good enough for me’. So petrol engine ute sales become unnecessary. The ‘must have’ fashion accessory for recently retired grey nomads is a diesel 4WD for shopping, and, to tow a rarely used caravan. Diesel engines in European cars and vans are about to become dinosaurs. For those who intend to get a Raptor, I envy you, because you are able to buy what you want. I am still waiting to replace my VZ AWD Crewmen for a VE/VF AWD Crewman. Did I mention that diesel engine utes sell well in Australia, because we get no other choice. |
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11-02-2018, 03:59 PM | #602 | ||
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Saying we dont get a choice is a cop out. Ranger and Hilux had 4L V6's against diesels no comparison to whats on the market now, and werent popular. The market made the decision, it wasnt made for them.
If you want to co.pare what this Raptor will be compared to the used market, maybe you should be looking at a Great Wall. You could just as easily compare a 2012 Ranger with a plethora of aftermarket gear. |
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11-02-2018, 04:35 PM | #604 | |||
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however, the point is that by commonising the engine with the base variant the development cost of the Raptor could be focussed on the chassis changes, with just some minor powertrain calibration modifications for Raptor. If it had a unique powertrain then the whole of that development cost would have to be carried by the relatively few Raptor units rather than spread over the whole program |
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11-02-2018, 04:37 PM | #605 | |||
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As for the trophy truck etc - not even worth a reply. |
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11-02-2018, 04:54 PM | #606 | ||
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I know as much as you I reckon, F all. Trophy truck buyers wet dream.
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11-02-2018, 05:56 PM | #607 | ||
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Whata waste of arvo. Most here not buyers of a Raptor probably less drive or buying a current Ranger.
Will wait for the test drives. Im not buying one...willbe moving to PX3 XLT in few months..after 230k+ in px1/px2 happy as....this thing will be beast on some great tracks though....those in the market for one will grab it and gesture to all who crae to look
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11-02-2018, 05:58 PM | #608 | ||
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Just because many aren’t in the market doesn’t mean they have no right to comment... this is after all a forum.
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12-02-2018, 12:08 AM | #610 | |||
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Plus it had decals.
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12-02-2018, 07:53 AM | #612 | |||
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https://www.google.com.au/search?q=r...n9mIxHpexL_pM: or http://www.raptor4wd.com/specials |
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12-02-2018, 09:44 AM | #613 | |||
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12-02-2018, 11:23 AM | #614 | |||
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12-02-2018, 11:58 AM | #615 | ||
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And - wtf cares. It was a disappointment as I said but I also mention you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Big deal. Pin a medal on ya chest for pointing that out hero.
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12-02-2018, 01:51 PM | #616 | ||
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Some of you lot are way too emotional for a truck that probably no one here will buy anyway...
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12-02-2018, 02:59 PM | #617 | |||
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A V6 Pertol with 250KW would have done me and I would ordered it today....but narh. I'll probably end up with the VW. Ford never listen to what the people want. They seem to think they know better....I thought their AU would of been lesson enough let alone when the dropped the V8 back in the 80's. Fairdinkum they are as dumb as Dog do do
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12-02-2018, 03:42 PM | #618 | ||||
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Truely one of the dumbest posts I have ever read on AFF. Congrats As for the engine we are a diesel market. Simple as that. They have given us what the market is buying in 99% of cases. Would you hedge your bets on the 1% or the 99%? Sure the powerstroke V6 would have been good but does anyone here even know if it fits, considering the Ranger only comes with inline engines and not V configuration. |
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12-02-2018, 03:43 PM | #619 | |||
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12-02-2018, 04:12 PM | #620 | ||
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Ok, if this thing came with a Coyote then it would be hard to resist and my order would be in
It looks great but what were they thinking. A mini diesel with 10kw more than the basic Ranger Those figures will probably also not be at the rear wheels so it gets worse. The whole idea of a vehicle such as this is to have great suspension (tick) but also an engine that has bucket loads of pure grunt that with just a touch of the pedal makes it start to haul WITHOUT the need to change down etc. It is so obvious that the 10 speed is fitted purely to keep this engine on the boil and give the impression it has massive grunt. If it was a 5 or 6 speed it would be embarrassing. That 10 speed is never going to stay in any one gear and will be changing all day long. Makes me wonder how long its going to last especially if flogged to make use of the suspension. I may still be in the dark ages but my trusty 347 4Runner has 284 RWKW with a virtual straight line 505 RWNM in top gear (5 Speed) and with me in it and a full tank it weighs 2300kg and it pulls like a train from 50kph in top to any speed limit . It does it so easy and makes it a joy to drive yet it still gives me 12L/100 cruising at 110kph so it will now stay in the garage. A Raptor should have awesome grunt with the additon of its great off road suspension not be screaming its head off as it goes threw 10 gears to move. It will probably sell in reasonable numbers but a typical Ford copout as with that engine it won't have any overall Xfactor. Last edited by ozrunner; 12-02-2018 at 04:21 PM. |
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12-02-2018, 04:18 PM | #621 | ||
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The vid does say on private property, which looks to be at the Ooraminna Station. https://www.ooraminna.com.au/
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12-02-2018, 04:25 PM | #622 | ||
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People seem to be forgetting this is the baby raptor.
I don't think anyone would be having this discussion about engines if there was such a thing as ONE FORD. Dearborn would not dare step on the toes of its cash cow.
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12-02-2018, 04:40 PM | #623 | ||
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Bloody impressive imo. I think the balance will be perfect.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news...the-utes-grunt |
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12-02-2018, 04:53 PM | #624 | |||
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I like all of the above vehicles but I wouldn't compare a Patrol or landcruiser diesel to this. This sounds even dumber. Never seen a factory Patrol or Landcruiser with go fast stickers either like this wannabee trophy truck.
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12-02-2018, 06:55 PM | #625 | |||
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The engine is unacceptable. It should have come with the 2.7 or 3.5EB.
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12-02-2018, 07:14 PM | #626 | ||
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Your thoughts mate not mine - it’s acceptable to me and others. I’ve had some big dollar modified trucks in the past and this truck is well balanced in my opinion. Even if the petrol became available I’d stick with the diesel, each to their own. Forgetting the motor, I copied the link more so for the background behind the build. I’m more than aware most hate the motor.
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12-02-2018, 07:35 PM | #627 | |||
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12-02-2018, 08:00 PM | #628 | ||
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Isn't this vehicle like a dude who puts a sock down the front of his speedos at the beach.
All show and go until you look under the hood. On a side note no one has said anything about the colours it is available in. What colours from the Falcon XR/GT Palette would it look good in?
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12-02-2018, 08:12 PM | #629 | ||
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