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Weather it's 15,000 days or 150,000 It will run out one day. I don't see the point of using it on things that don't require it when I think it will be better to save it to last for thousands of years so we can use it in areas where we actually want to use it. I'm not saying we all should switch to electric tomorrow, but switching Toyota Camry's as soon as possible is better for our big V8 muscle cars and such. |
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even if this is true - does it really make sense to combust it? it's still a finite resource and is better used imo to make lubricants and even plastics, than just burn it and chuck it up the chimney or down the tailpipe.
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But how long will Lithium etc reserves last in the future compared to how oil has with its currently used reserves which also have a futher 50 years easy and that's not counting others yet to be tapped.
If the whole world turns to EV's are there enough resources to make and keep making millions of batteries and for how long ???? Even just this year Musk made a personal plea to Oz mining companies to mine more nickel and Tesla would issue contracts for supply as Australia has the worlds largest nickel deposits. |
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Please tell how, and what happens, no I'm generally interested because from what I've read currently, no recycling method exists which is both efficient and profitable enough to be sustainable. surely you didn't read that on the back page of the Tesla brochure?
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we most likely will start running out of places to put our rubbish before we run out of oil.
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Also, they a repurposing the batteries. For example, you need high efficiency in a car because of limited weight and packaging. You don't need that in a home battery backup scenario. So used batteries can be given a second life in home storage after their life as car batteries. Plenty of details about this online. Worth a read. Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk
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That second statement is a moving target. As the price per barrel increases the cost equation changes. There is a price point where shale extraction, for example, becomes economically viable and we have seen that. We have also seen shale oil production slow and stop when the price plummets. My thoughts are that the demise of ICE will come in two ways - the cost of petrol will inevitably rise to the point that nobody can afford to run a car. this is likely many, man years away but we've seen how tough it can get even at $1.50 per litre. Imagine trying to run a V8 daily at $2.50 or @5.00 The second way and imo the more likely and faster way, is that governments will legislate. not necessarily in the way Europe are trying but at a more local level. We already have congestion charges for many cities and many also have low emission zones too. My belief is that very soon those low emissions zones will extend to more cities and will enforce zero emission cars only. Once we have a critical mass of EV cars in cities, the downstream impacts will be reduced retail prices, expansion of the charger network, and a migration of the EVs out of the cities to the commuter belt and then onwards. I also believe this is how the autonomous car fleet will grow. Once the local government agencies define CBDs as EV vehicle only it is not much of a stretch to imagine them becoming autonomous vehicle only, and then the network of highways joining them up becoming autonomous only. interesting times whatever your feelings about ICE vs EV |
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One of the largest supplies of oil used to come from Venezuela but due to Sanctions it not getting exported now. from the worldometers site previously posted they have 1374 years of oil in reserve. it costs nothing to fill your car up there but people cant afford their groceries, google what a big mac costs there.. I can assure you if another source runs out they will lift these sanctions its always about the $$$ whilst the rich cities are buying EVs the poor ones are still filled with 2 strokes and old busses.
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Just like my entire EV ownership. Started of with, "I don't think it's for me"... And I can see how they still might not be for everyone. But I can also see how they work for a lot of people (price barring). Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk
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Still love my ICE, but unfortunately people like us will also become the exception as cars literally become just transport, the passion will be hard to maintain in 30-50 years.
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the change is already here and forums like this are already the exception. Buyers don't care about the driving any more. it is just a tool to get somewhere while being plugged in to social media
We just had a major reorganisation that I thought I would never see happen. The Powertrain organisation has effectively been broken up at the expense of a bigger Connected Vehicle organisation. That shows where the company thinks the future is. |
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Over time, the invisible hand of Adam Smith will win. If people want guilt free transportation (and, really, that is the subtle sales pitch behind EV), then manufacturers will produce EV. Once that decision is made, then customers will chase specifications like range, acceleration, safety, automation, etc. Nor do I see a great leap forward, just evolution that comes in fits and starts. But, cumulatively, over the decades, adds up to impressive hardware. For awhile there, I was worried that the BMW i3 was the template for driving in the future. What is nice about vehicles like the Ford Mach-E is that EV doesn't have to be a Nanny-mobile. One of my favourite memories of my old Outlander PHEV was climbing up a dirt track in the country, with the windows down, in near silence. Sure, a throbbing and burbling V8 sounds horny, but, not having it is not the end of a great driving experience. What I do worry about is the 'cost is not a problem' aspect pushed by some EV advocates. Sure, at present, if you have a $100K to drop on a vehicle there are some nice EV options. But a fair slab of the population drive around in the third/fourth hand $5K workhorse. |
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Life will get tough when you fork out $5k for a 2nd hand EV with stuffed batteries.
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I'll be long dead and buried ![]() Imagine automotive workshops, you won't need nearly as many as the only components you'll be doing are steering, suspension and batteries. |
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Fair bet that battery cells for a Ford will be incompatible with |
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Looks like the car has the charging circuitry which makes sense. |
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Just look at the new ads. Many don't even talk about the car. Just the colour its available in (T-Roc and T-Cross for example). And looking at Camry (and most Toyotas) sales in this country, people have long given up on the thrill of the drive. Look at all the boring Dual Cab Utes that would pull the skin of the proverbial.
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Big part of the 'thrill of the drive' is that it makes some noise
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Some engine notes are downright disgusting. So no noise is better than some noises. I love my V8's but only if they're fast. If it was all noise no go, stuff that. Like the Patrol. Sounds great 7.5 to 100. Give me a Cybertruck (if it gets here) with 2.9 to 100 and capable of towing a big load! Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk
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This will always be better than any Tesla in my eyes and ears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcR6zHJBJ4A
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Most use the 18650 battery though chemistry is a little different. Typically, you have Tesla using different chemistry but all the others use similar/same chemistry so Toyota/Nissan/BMW/Ford, etc are all interchangeable. You could even run the different chemistry cells but you'd have to have the software ready to handle it (bit like when we changed from NiCd to NiMH for domestic batteries; you have to use the correct charger for the battery). Tesla are the ones driving development of better battery tech and have moved to the 2170 battery.
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![]() I think car enthusiasts are more than just what noise a car makes. Its about the handling, the drivability, balance and steering feedback. And the example you have there is loud and fast. And costs more than my Tesla (have you seen the new price book?! Starting at $219k!)! And now, sadly, can't be had with a V8 either. Don't care for the V6 note. Sure, a Lambo sounds great as well but heck, I'm a car enthusiast with a realistic budget.
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