Is The GMC Sierra Denali The Safest Towing Vehicle ? - Page 2

Vesper Martini · 20-02-2019, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Because it’s better to have a vehicle capable of towing 13t and only loading it up with half or less of it’s rated capacity?

If I had to tow 3.5t there’s no way I’d be using any of these Thailand Utes which are rated at 3.5t to tow it.

That I agree with, and you will find most are exceeding maximum weight anyway

Vesper Martini · 18-02-2019, 02:55 PM

An S-45 boom lift is over 7 tonne, gooseneck trailer would be near 12.
Thats Semi work bud.

roKWiz · 18-02-2019, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

An S-45 boom lift is over 7 tonne, gooseneck trailer would be near 12.
Thats Semi work bud.

Not in the US,
I've seen guys loading stretched Kenworth prime movers on the back of gooseneck flatbeds towed by a F350 and bigger F. Over there they seems to uprate their pick ups, I don't think I would want to do it.

chevypower · 19-02-2019, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

An S-45 boom lift is over 7 tonne, gooseneck trailer would be near 12.
Thats Semi work bud.

A gooseneck for a semi is bigger and heavier than what people pull with Class3-5. This 25’ trailer weighs 3,000kg and carries 8,800kg. Well below the Genie S45’s 7,000kg. https://www.bigtextrailerworld.com/t...axle-gooseneck

If you max out the trailer to 11,800kg, you are well within the max tow weight of the GMC 3500 dually of 16 tonnes.

Vesper Martini · 19-02-2019, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

A gooseneck for a semi is bigger and heavier than what people pull with Class3-5. This 25’ trailer weighs 3,000kg and carries 8,800kg. Well below the Genie S45’s 7,000kg. https://www.bigtextrailerworld.com/t...axle-gooseneck

If you max out the trailer to 11,800kg, you are well within the max tow weight of the GMC 3500 dually of 16 tonnes.

I noticed those trailers, thing is you can't buy one of those here. everything is over engineered and heavy.
even as a kid I noticed American truck trailers with 2 axles will have 3 here.

Another example the trailer on my imported US/Canadian boat is very flimsy compared to the locally produced.

chevypower · 19-02-2019, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I noticed those trailers, thing is you can't buy one of those here. everything is over engineered and heavy.
even as a kid I noticed American truck trailers with 2 axles will have 3 here.

Another example the trailer on my imported US/Canadian boat is very flimsy compared to the locally produced.

Yeah I rememrber in Australia, there’s really small and home-made wooden 6x4 single axle trailers and Class 8 rigs, with not much in between. Some medium duty LCF’s. The stuff in between from PJ Trailers and Big Tex isn’t “flimsy” though, so not sure why you think it is. They have 14” I-beams. Triple or double exist. It just depends on what you NEED. I think you only see what you want to see, and your over generalizing.

http://157.230.165.98/product/lhx-ma...eneck-flatbed/

Vesper Martini · 19-02-2019, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Yeah I rememrber in Australia, there’s really small and home-made wooden 6x4 single axle trailers and Class 8 rigs, with not much in between. Some medium duty LCF’s. The stuff in between from PJ Trailers and Big Tex isn’t “flimsy” though, so not sure why you think it is. They have 14” I-beams. Triple or double exist. It just depends on what you NEED. I think you only see what you want to see, and your over generalizing.

http://157.230.165.98/product/lhx-ma...eneck-flatbed/

Its more about what is available here. with such a small market for large American pickups, there is even less for such trailers.

things are done differently too. when we want a boom lift - we hire one.

PS I notice those trailers have hydraulic brakes, I don't know our ADRs but I'm sure that wouldn't be suitable here

Vesper Martini · 18-02-2019, 03:47 PM

Fair enough. stuff like this:
https://www.tfltruck.com/2017/03/201...lbs-tow-vidoe/

roKWiz · 18-02-2019, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Fair enough. stuff like this:
https://www.tfltruck.com/2017/03/201...lbs-tow-vidoe/

yep or this. Frankly I think they are mad.

Vesper Martini · 19-02-2019, 01:32 PM

An Interesting read deals with this exact topic
https://www.performaxint.com.au/owner/towing-guide

You would need to get an Air brake kit fitted to the "Truck" when the trailer exceeds 4500kg

GVM AND LICENSING
In Australia, a car driver licence is limited to driving vehicles up to a maximum GVM of 4495 kg (9900 lb). Beyond this, a different class of licence is required. A vehicle with a GVM under 4495 kg is termed a light vehicle, while those over 4495 kg are termed heavy vehicles.

Many models of truck, for example F-Trucks, Silverado or GMC Sierra Denali, are manufactured to have a GVM rating of 5000 to 7000 kg (11,000 to 15,400 lb) but sold with the option of a GVM of just under 4495 kg so that they can be driven on a car licence. This is called a GVM downgrade.

Junkyard-Dog · 19-02-2019, 04:46 PM

Of course it's safe. It's a four-wheeled brick.

roKWiz · 19-02-2019, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

Of course it's safe. It's a four-wheeled brick.

6 actually.

Junkyard-Dog · 19-02-2019, 05:36 PM

I stand corrected.

Junkyard-Dog · 19-02-2019, 06:19 PM

13T caravan -

3T - caravan
10T - mobile drugs lab.

chevypower · 20-02-2019, 05:59 AM

And the big block wars could be making a comeback...

https://www.tfltruck.com/2019/02/rum...-displacement/

Vesper Martini · 21-02-2019, 12:31 PM

Yep, from my post #46 below: this info is from Perfomax the largest independent importer, converter and retailer of American vehicles for sale in Australia.

GVM AND LICENSING
In Australia, a car driver licence is limited to driving vehicles up to a maximum GVM of 4495 kg (9900 lb). Beyond this, a different class of licence is required. A vehicle with a GVM under 4495 kg is termed a light vehicle, while those over 4495 kg are termed heavy vehicles.

Vesper Martini · 22-02-2019, 12:39 PM

Its also worth noting if you went to the trouble of importing a 6 wheeler GMC Sierra Denali RHD conversion with turntable air brakes to bring it to Aus spec
Its going to cost the best part of $200K, probably more

chevypower · 22-02-2019, 05:39 PM

If you keep beating your dead horse, you won’t really need any truck to pull it.

Vesper Martini · 22-02-2019, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

If you keep beating your dead horse, you won’t really need any truck to pull it.

you dont even notice when the dick swing is aimed at you

and give it a like

chevypower · 23-02-2019, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

you dont even notice when the dick swing is aimed at you

and give it a like

Would you believe it, you are the same guy who wrote this....

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Getting off topic if the mods want to step in.

Only swing your dick when you know you can win. You end up butthurt and asking the mods to intervene. Now getting back on topic...

Vesper Martini · 25-02-2019, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Would you believe it, you are the same guy who wrote this....

Only swing your dick when you know you can win. You end up butthurt and asking the mods to intervene. Now getting back on topic...

What are even you on about? Now getting back on topic..

MITCHAY · 22-02-2019, 08:34 PM

The last week I have seen a Ram and a Silverado. I've seen plenty before but given how small Canberra is and the amount of them I have seen they definitely have a market here in Australia so I imagine if there were a factory RHD model they would sell pretty decently without the LHD conversion tax.

In other news, today was the first day I have seen a Merc ute and it had steelies on it

WTF you don't even get alloys for a Merc

hayseed · 23-02-2019, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

The last week I have seen a Ram and a Silverado. I've seen plenty before but given how small Canberra is and the amount of them I have seen they definitely have a market here in Australia so I imagine if there were a factory RHD model they would sell pretty decently without the LHD conversion tax.

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They sell reasonably well as It is.. IMHO

There's a Performax Dealer in the Country Town I live in, Who always has 2-3 in stock & seem to move in a Timely manner.

Main buyers seem to be;
A) Competitive Horsey types to tow their goosenecks with.

B) Larger Builders/Plumbers ect who can take 5-6 Blokes & a decent
Excavator/Trencher/Bobcat to a Job with only 1 vehicle..

Not too many buying them for shopping trolleys or School buses..

Junkyard-Dog · 22-02-2019, 11:33 PM

American trucks look bloody hilarious in busy Adelaide traffic. Their great size becomes a detriment to them. I'm sure they're well equipped but I wouldn't want to try squeezing one into an Aussie car park.

'murican junk.

Franco Cozzo · 23-02-2019, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

American trucks look bloody hilarious in busy Adelaide traffic. Their great size becomes a detriment to them. I'm sure they're well equipped but I wouldn't want to try squeezing one into an Aussie car park.

'murican junk.

Oxymoron of the century - drive in Melbourne or Sydney then complain about 'busy Adelaide traffic'

Oh and we have these American utes on our roads too.

cheap · 23-02-2019, 05:05 PM

The biggest dick - behold ...

prydey · 23-02-2019, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Oxymoron of the century - drive in Melbourne or Sydney then complain about 'busy Adelaide traffic'

Oh and we have these American utes on our roads too.

Everything is a competition to some people.

Junkyard-Dog · 23-02-2019, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Oxymoron of the century - drive in Melbourne or Sydney then complain about 'busy Adelaide traffic'

Oh and we have these American utes on our roads too.

Adelaide traffic definitely isn't as congested but there are lots of selfish drivers here

I prefer driving in the country.

Franco Cozzo · 23-02-2019, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

Adelaide traffic definitely isn't as congested but there are lots of selfish drivers here

I prefer driving in the country.

Seems like severe lack of indicators used from my experience driving around Adelaide - no toll roads which was nice

The price of these things is what's going to keep them off the radar for your average joe, they're like the Mercedes C63 AMG of tradie rigs.

If they were $75K you'd see more of them on the road.

Realistically they need to be factory RHD for this to be viable but I imagine it would cannibalize sales from Colorado and Ranger in a big way if there wasn't significant price difference.

In the USA the Ranger is seen as a bit pricey as it's not far off price of the F150.

Junkyard-Dog · 23-02-2019, 12:09 PM

I guess I should have made it clear that as was talking about pick up trucks lol.

Murican prime movers are awesome.