Queensland Police Speed Cameras NO Affect to Road Toll..

[383hq]

They have a process to ensure drivers continue to provide revenue

First they get people use to the idea of cameras - tell people enough and they will believe (ref Noam Chomsky - "manufacturing consent")
First the initial media campaign
for example, In Vic, they were turned on for a day or two at a time, until they cleared the 3-4 month mail backlog - naturally they started on the SE arterial..
Then they turn them on full time, but with higher initial limits
Then they reduce the tolerance/limits
Then they introduce point to point or average speed capability.

Meanwhile in France with modern cars you run 130km/h
In the US on the interstates, common to see people pulling similar speeds - 80-90mph
Germany, say no more

Bloody anti progressive nanny state that is more interested in increasing politicians wages justified via increasingly complex regulation.

Bit annoyed at the moment, they're lobbying to reduce the 110 speed limit to 100, Clearly we can't be trusted
Yet at the same time, they're also lobbying for a nuclear waste dump that will hang around for a billion years
Ba$tards.
<end rant>

[b0son]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Anyone that can't do that should probably be catching public transport.

Then the majority of drivers would be using public transport. RTA's own studies show a fairly substantial proportion of drivers speed, and the sheer volume of drivers booked in the low range band supports this.

I would suggest that you, like the bureaucrats, place a disproportionate importance on one's ability to maintain one's speed to within an accuracy of +/- 2kph.

It's like fining people for submitting paperwork in the wrong coloured ink.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by b0son

Then the majority of drivers would be using public transport. RTA's own studies show a fairly substantial proportion of drivers speed, and the sheer volume of drivers booked in the low range band supports this.

I would suggest that you, like the bureaucrats, place a disproportionate importance on one's ability to maintain one's speed to within an accuracy of +/- 2kph.

It's like fining people for submitting paperwork in the wrong coloured ink.

Why do you need to maintain a speed within 2km/hr, the tolerance is huge, the speed limit is the limit, anything under that is fine.

Never had an issue staying below the limit once I decided to stay under the limit.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Forget getting George Pell back...
Instead, I'd suggest we promptly get YOU to the Vatican to receive your much deserved Sainthood!...

Not religious never have been.

Why do I need a sainthood for abiding by basic and easy to follow road rules, is it really that difficult to do??

People really struggle with the basics in life don't they

[olfella]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Why do you need to maintain a speed within 2km/hr, the tolerance is huge, the speed limit is the limit, anything under that is fine.

Never had an issue staying below the limit once I decided to stay under the limit.

Like the bloke I (and 50 others) were following the other day. 40 in a 70 zone. Thats fine for him but we all have a different reason to be on the road and we want to get on with it. So what happens next? I will leave that up to you to answer as it appears you are good at it.

[olfella]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Not religious never have been.

Why do I need a sainthood for abiding by basic and easy to follow road rules, is it really that difficult to do??

People really struggle with the basics in life don't they

Glad I dont live in your neck of the woods

[MercurySilver]

In SA 64 in 50 zone





Over 400 coins

[theBlake]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

So what do you actually do while you drive??

I mean you obviously not watching your speedo, as you claim unintentional speeding, and obviously not watching the road ahead as you still get done.

So where is your actual attention while you are (not) in control of a motor vehicle.

Wow. Talk about drawing a long bow. I said "the odd lapse". Can you guarantee you never ever exceed the speed limit.

I must drive past 2-3 mobile speed cameras every week, they are friggin everywhere here. i have picked up 3 tickets in 3 years. The way other people drive, especially nobsicles in twin cab utes, I have no idea how they keep their license.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Why do you need to maintain a speed within 2km/hr, the tolerance is huge, the speed limit is the limit, anything under that is fine.

if only facepalms were cardio, reading your posts would be exercise

[Spurious]

A 3 km tolerance...sheeez, considering the average variables involved regarding vehicle speedometers, I'd recommend that Queenslanders drive a minimum of 5 km below any & all sign posted limits.

I've said it before..."what if NO-ONE sped"?

Christ it's so damned simple. Concentrate on driving, pure & simple. If you are paying 100% attention every second you are behind the wheel, imagine what a difference that would make!
The main problem that I see with modern society is that life, including driving, has become one big ridiculous & dangerous competition. Everybody wants to be in front & everybody wants to win.

So in the famous words of Dr. Phil...."How's that working for ya' "?

[Spurious]

Furthermore...even using cruise control is no guarantee that you'll be immune to a fine.
Just pay attention, it's the only way.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Spurious

Furthermore...even using cruise control is no guarantee that you'll be immune to a fine.
Just pay attention, it's the only way.

100% spot on, a lot people treat driving as something they do while they do other things.

Pay attention to what you do, and drive within the rules.

Never been fined since the day I decided to do so.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by b0son

if only facepalms were cardio, reading your posts would be exercise

So which part of driving your car do you struggle with??

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by theBlake

Wow. Talk about drawing a long bow. I said "the odd lapse". Can you guarantee you never ever exceed the speed limit.

I must drive past 2-3 mobile speed cameras every week, they are friggin everywhere here. i have picked up 3 tickets in 3 years. The way other people drive, especially nobsicles in twin cab utes, I have no idea how they keep their license.

WOW three tickets in three years, even when I was driving like an idiot with no regard for the road rules I never managed to get that many in that short a time period.

You must be a good driver

I can guarantee that in the last 13 years I have paid enough attention to my surroundings to not get a ticket

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by simon varley

well, NT's unlimited experiment hasn't exactly flooded the hospitals with road trauma cases has it?

Because generally people do not want to die, or seriously injure someone else. In the NT when I was up there with unrestricted Stewart Hwy, people generally drove to what their car was capable of, and what they perceived as safe. So my TE Cortina with alloy head- I generally cruised along at 140 kph. Going between 150 -160 kph was fatiguing , too much fuel usage, and did not feel safe on corners.

Most people cruised at some 130 kph. Some Porsches 911 cruised safely at 220 kph, a local BMW M3 guy cruised at 180 kph ...people drove to what their capacities and machines allowed.

And guess what- no policing- this was self monitoring by people.

And in the time I was up there, most of the deaths involved fatigue and single vehicle rollovers, and stupidity with alcohol and driving.

Cannot recall 1 incident I heard about of excessive speed of itself causing death/serious injuries in the NT when there were unrestricted speed limits, other than that race where a Japanese driver lost it in a Ferrari going at some 310 kph on a wide curving bend and took out a road Marshall....but this was after I had left and was a race.

I generally agree that heavy populated areas with pedestrians/kids need speed restrictions.

[SYZ]

Victoria is currently introducing even more speed safety cameras. The 2016 road toll is already higher than 2015, which was higher than in 2014, which was higher than 2013.......... you get the idea.

Good job fellas... revenue is not a dirty word.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Not religious never have been.

Why do I need a sainthood for abiding by basic and easy to follow road rules, is it really that difficult to do??

People really struggle with the basics in life don't they

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Not religious never have been.

Why do I need a sainthood for abiding by basic and easy to follow road rules, is it really that difficult to do??

People really struggle with the basics in life don't they

You sir may be in the good 1-5% of what I'm about to say!
A few times over the years I've decided with my wife before we headed out on our drive to stick as close to the speed limit as possible for the whole drive, as a TEST of who speeds! Or how many speed!
Not surprisingly if you sit in the left lane and watch behind,including on ramps.....nearly EVERY SINGLE car within view catches and passes us eventually. Anywhere from 70 zones up to 100 zones.....all double lanes at least! 20-30min one way runs! A fair amount of cars to draw a conclusion from!

From Ipswich central to Brisbane and back!
Twice we took note of TRUCKS in particular and stayed on the highway as some stubborn truck drivers around think they never speed also. Again nearly every single heavy vehicle accelerates downhills if there's an incline ahead!

You guys feel free to try the same thing, but I'm convinced that most who swear they never speed are full of it! Including truck drivers!

I'll add that on occasion it actually feels unsafe with the amount of traffic filing past anywhere from 5-15ks over I assume!!! So screw it...I speed up! And it feels safe!

But these rants are useless anyway...the thread title says it all....but in the end we're all left to abide too the same guys who bring in weekly Quotas disgraceful!

[superyob]

Originally Posted by olfella

Like the bloke I (and 50 others) were following the other day. 40 in a 70 zone. Thats fine for him but we all have a different reason to be on the road and we want to get on with it. So what happens next? I will leave that up to you to answer as it appears you are good at it.

Patience is a virtue olfella. That's what I tell myself when I am stuck behind someone. I'm still gonna get to where I am going...

[383hq]

The guys making the rules, and the top cops usually have their own drivers to avoid these sorts of errors.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/vi...08-gm20vx.html

So easy to do in a modern quiet car - brakes, adhesion, roads, improve safety NVH reduces fatigue

Some here either live in rural areas, or are holier then thou, and have nothing better to do with their lives.

Australia is not productive any more - not progressive, just controlled
We let the minority control the majority.
That, and our crime fighters need their coin for the Police ball at the end of the year...

[olfella]

Originally Posted by superyob

Patience is a virtue olfella. That's what I tell myself when I am stuck behind someone. I'm still gonna get to where I am going...

Like the old bumper sticker - I may be slow but I am in front of you...

[theBlake]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

I can guarantee that in the last 13 years I have paid enough attention to my surroundings to not get a ticket

You are my hero.

[superyob]

I think many here are so focused on the 'every k over is a killer' campaign and attacking it as a useless piece of propaganda. And I have no problem with that as it is a bit dubious that the inverse of this campaign seems to be that 'every k over adds to internal revenue'.

What is missing in this debate is speed in context. For example, a car's speed may be below the posted speed limit yet be too fast for its immediate circumstances. In this context, I would have to agree that speed does kill...

[The Monty]

So many misconceptions that have all been said before.

The government is responsible for laws, and the "everk k over is a killer", police advertise it as they are told to. Also, police dont make up the speed limit.

A speed limit is a speed LIMIT. Its not a speed must. If the speed is 60 you can do any speed up to 60. You dont have to do 60 on the dot.

Speedos are required in ADRs to be correct to within +10/-0%.
This means they can read up to 10% fast, but never slow. If it says you are doing 60 on your speedo, you ARE doing less than 60 unless you have changed diff gears or wheel sizes.

As great as it is to say "sources in the qps said.....to ......", the 3km/h speed leverage is not correct.

If you get a ticket for 63 in a 60 zone, consider these factors using the FACTS. They take 2 ks off for "tolerances". So you were doing 65. Then your speedo is reading faster than you are going by up to 10%. So your speedo would be reading anywhere between 65 and 71. And then people whinge that they get caught for doing "63" in a 60 zone.

Also, I drive a lot of cars in my line of work. All of these cars have a speedo from factory, and a corrected speedo. Hyundais generally 5% out, Toyota 6-7%, Ford and Holden 2%. This is why Toyota drivers always seem to be going under the limit. They are usually doing 4-5% slower than you while displaying the same speed.

I have no idea why it is so hard for people to comprehend these things. It really is all just common sense.

As for the speed kills mantra, consider this.

You are doing 60km/h and hit a tree.

You are doing 65km/h and hit a tree.

Simple physics tells us that more force will be expended at 65km/h then 60. So yes, every extra km/h you do, you are more likely to die if you crash. Grip levels, vehicle stability, aerodynamics erc then all play an additional role at high speeds.

And no, QPS dont have quotas or use the money from tickets in the christmas party fund. Money is collected by the government.

The lesson is, simply dont speed and you wont have to worry. And campaign to your local member if you want things to change.

[The Monty]

And no Im not a saint and I do get tickets. I just cop them, pay them and move on.

[olfella]

Originally Posted by The Monty

I have no idea why it is so hard for people to comprehend these things. It really is all just common sense.

COMMON SENSE?? Where do you get it?? It should be available to all yet lacking in many.

[TheSneakiness]

Originally Posted by olfella

COMMON SENSE?? Where do you get it?? It should be available to all yet lacking in many.

Problem with common sense is that its not all that common.

[monzie]

Some vehicles are easy to drive at the lower speed limits, others you really have to work at.
Speedo design is an area for discussion, most of the current cars seem to have "120k" in the 12 o'clock position. Older cars it was usually to have "100k" in that position. Why do we need 250/300k speedo's anyway? A quick glance at the gauges is more about needle position.
Wonder how many fines are drivers coming to gripes with a smoother, quieter car with the speedo needle in the place?
The road toll is not coming down because the number of vehicles and drivers keeps increasing every year. Even when it was in decline it was more about vehicle safety than drive attitude.

[GasoLane]

It would seem that some members here have this playing on their radio constantly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCsNunGnqE0

[Trump]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

It would seem that some members here have this playing on their radio constantly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCsNunGnqE0

You owe me a new laptop Gaso, water left my mouth and nose at escape velocity

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

It would seem that some members here have this playing on their radio constantly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCsNunGnqE0

That's gold!!!!