Classic/collectable/sought after cars to put away now.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by ebv8

i think one of these will increase in price in 20 years
95-99 x2 hyundai excel, why because they were so popular back in the day and once the p platers that had these as first cars get sentimental they will want one to show their kids and think back on the day when they first started driving
i hear you all laughing but you just wait!

Yeah just like how the early Lasers are.

[brennan.]

Something that is forgotten quickly but shouldn't be, something that the general new car buying public don't realize is excellent. hot hatches would be my bet, Kia Pro_Cee'd GT or maybe the new hot Peugeot, both will be overlooked I reckon. I could be wrong, don't be shy to tell me so.

[2011G6E]

Bingo...that's one very good point. "Sentimentality".
Look at some of the popular classics which were once common cheap every day cars in their day, but which are now beloved classics.
I'm talking Morris Minors, Minis, old Escorts...stuff that was very common and ordinary, but after the passage of years people were in a position to buy one "just for fun" and to relive their youth.

You might surprisingly find some "dull" cars become future sought-after classics...Hyundais, Kias, Suzuki hatchbacks, etc. Probably especially the coupe versions.

I recall a guy I went to TAFE with back in 1996 picking up dirt cheap a first generation VW Golf GTi. It was "just another little old car", even though it went like stink and handled like a go-kart. We thought it was interesting, but he just used it and ended up trading it on something else without a second thought.
What would that be worth now if he'd have restored it and carefully put it away...?

Hindsight is 20/20 vision...

[jpblue1000]

Escorts were never ordinary! Ever!

take that back!

JP

[Cav]

As an old guy people my age (and a bit younger) are lusting over cars they could not afford when they were younger, but now have the money to buy and restore them.

So think about cars you lusted over in your youth and they are the ones that will be future classics.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by Cav

As an old guy people my age (and a bit younger) are lusting over cars they could not afford when they were younger, but now have the money to buy and restore them.

So think about cars you lusted over in your youth and they are the ones that will be future classics.

this for the win!.
If it was on a poster in a teenagers room it will be worth something in the future, not the poster but the car. poster would probably not exist any longer or be stinky cause of aforementioned teenage boy.

JP

[JIm260]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

this for the win!.
If it was on aposter ina teenagers room it will be worth something in the future, not the poster but the car. poster would probably not exist any longer or be stinky cause of aforementioned teenage boy.

JP

So you are predicting the Lamborghini Contach will be a collectable car in the future, pure genius!

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by JIm260

So you are predicting the Lamborghini Contach will be a collectable car in the future, pure genius!

isnt it?

[Sprintey]

Hero cars, cars that inspired people when young.

From the 90's the original WRXs, from the Ford stable the Sprint, and equally the EBII S-XR6 and ED-F-L XR6, which are being destroyed en masse by P-Platers at the moment. EL XR8, XH XR8. Accessible performance. Maybe the times that Ford trumped Holden's V8 - Sprint, early XR6, AUIII T3, Barra Turbo and F6 Typhoon R Spec...

If you don't have an unlimited amount of money, this 90s era is at the bottom of its depreciation curve now, and if you are wrong and it doesn't go classic, cheap thrills.

[SSD-85]

Anything with an Internal Combustion Engine will become a museum piece at some point.

If you want to hoard anything, hoard the substances that give power to these machines....

[Tex Scrotum]

Originally Posted by SSD-85

Anything with an Internal Combustion Engine will become a museum piece at some point.

If you want to hoard anything, hoard the substances that give power to these machines....

I disagree!
Have you heard of Ethanol?
Here's your future fuel 😉

I think the early WRXs, some of the special HSVs and FPVs and good original XR6Ts will be collectables.

[Sprint]

MY Sprint cost me 20k in 2000 and it sold for far cheaper, the market price is not there.

I was quite ****ed when even 10k was a struggle from collectors.

[Polyal]

Yeah I dont know where the love for the sprint comes from? Its an ace car but has no attachment to racing or anything really...didnt reallllllllllly push the boundaries at the time even though it was properly competitive.

For a car to be truly collectible you need it to cross buyers.

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Yeah I dont know where the love for the sprint comes from? Its an ace car but has no attachment to racing or anything really...didnt reallllllllllly push the boundaries at the time even though it was properly competitive.

For a car to be truly collectible you need it to cross buyers.

Just like the XE ESP right? That was just a Fairmont Ghia with the wheels painted gold and a pair of sports seats in the front. No racing, and no performance upgrades. Yet the asking price for an immaculate, low kms, genuine matching numbers 351 4sp manual is up at around $50k, up $10k on just a few years ago.

The Sprints time will come, probably needs another 10 years.

[Barni]

Wow great info guys, thank. Very interesting to hear everyone's views and thoughts. What I have taken from this is that perhaps 'collectable' or 'classic' are not what we should be looking for. This is to hard to predict, but sought after cars have a better chance and we may have been looking at things a little wrong in regards to making a profit longer term. To those that say better to invest elsewhere...we all have, and between our portfolios of residential homes and shares and superannuation this doesn't always hold true. And having a balanced portfolio adding cars too also adds to spreading the risk. So doing some rough calculations including what cars cost to store, insure, maintain etc. If a car is purchased at say 10grand and sold for 16 in 10 years then this is still better than money in a back, or better than one of my investment properties too. Some have pointed out some great examples. the ED sprint xr8 seems to be brought up many times, my friend actually has one and says it's a great reliable car and he drives it daily...why is this car always brought up?
mx5 early editions...people's thoughts? As this I'm also interested in.
I don't agree with the excel but I like the thought process and the other cars suggested. I see the excel like the Porsche 944, great cheap cars to go racing in, to many built. I could be wrong, I usually am.
E46 m3...this is the car I've always wanted but never bought. Do you think even though such high numbers were built it can still increase? There are heaps for sale still, can't find a manaul though which is rare to find with low km..so far this car is on the list.
Rx7 if Australian sold then I agree...only found one but way to many km on it.
Early wrx's I like, had one and liked it. Should have purchased that 22b then.
Someone mentioned the ford t3....this is of interest, can someone please share their thoughts on why this will be sought after?
I'm going to take those fords I mentioned in my first post off the list, and look closer at some of these suggestions. Appreciate all the feedback guys.

[Squalo]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

Just like the XE ESP right? That was just a Fairmont Ghia with the wheels painted gold and a pair of sports seats in the front. No racing, and no performance upgrades. Yet the asking price for an immaculate, low kms, genuine matching numbers 351 4sp manual is up at around $50k, up $10k on just a few years ago.

The Sprints time will come, probably needs another 10 years.

I think only a tad over 400 XEs were made with 351C, and a fraction of that would have been ESPs. 1000-odd XEs had 302C motor.

One car that will definitely go up is the BMW 635 coupe. Prices have remained low-ish for some time now, but sooner or later it will go ballistic. The same could probably said of BMWs other low production 70s/80s models.

Old Nissan Patrols and Toyota Landcruisers (G60s and FJ40s) are already starting to get interest from collectors, so if you know of good examples of those...

Early AMG Mercs are good buying and will no doubt go up at some point. My uncle recently picked up what I think is a 1992 W124 AMG, for $1500... that was a $120k car when new.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Sprint

MY Sprint cost me 20k in 2000 and it sold for far cheaper, the market price is not there.

I was quite ****ed when even 10k was a struggle from collectors.

Yep, they are down and out price wise. I'm not retiring off mine! Also it seems cash is thin on the ground, the fat times are over for now, cash goes a bit further and people will low ball... so a time to hold or methodically acquire.

Originally Posted by Polyal

Yeah I dont know where the love for the sprint comes from? Its an ace car but has no attachment to racing or anything really...didnt reallllllllllly push the boundaries at the time even though it was properly competitive.

For a car to be truly collectible you need it to cross buyers.

I don't know either. Until I bought one I thought it would be like an ED XR6 to drive. The secret seems to be in the motor (Cobra SVO), 192Kw @ 5000 and 400Nm at 4000 are way high in its rev range and as a result it feels like no other Ford V8 from the 90's to drive: fairly pottering down low, then get up and scream over 3000 revs. Ford didn't pip it for Kilowatts until EL GT, which was a more low down torquey drive (correct me if I'm wrong) and in XR8s with the AU2. Maybe it was the EB GT test car, which came in slower in reviews thanks to a valve that was blocked? A stripped out, lighter, faster version was appreciated? The Sprint is the last year before the WRX arrived and changed everything too. It wasn't a race car although John Bowe won Bathurst in 1994 in an EBII which might have helped sales.

http://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/bu...ed-xr8-sprint/

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=0656

"The Sprint is a throwback to the grand days of Australian 'muscle' car manufacturing and deserving of far more attention than it gets."

http://www.uniquecars.ninemsn.com.au...opDefault.aspx

this one is good for a variety of marques:

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/494...e-car-classics


Anyway enough talking my book.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

Just like the XE ESP right? That was just a Fairmont Ghia with the wheels painted gold and a pair of sports seats in the front. No racing, and no performance upgrades. Yet the asking price for an immaculate, low kms, genuine matching numbers 351 4sp manual is up at around $50k, up $10k on just a few years ago.

The Sprints time will come, probably needs another 10 years.

Well if you wanted a 351 as an XE then you had to get an ESP.
It was optioned up a fair bit over any other Falcon model of the time
Suspension , interior , engine ( in the sense that it was the only V8 model available ). Unique 2 tone paint and body mouldings. It was the FPV GT of its time. Was a great looking car with awesome potential and the last of the aussie clevos so it deserves its asking price.

[Sprint]

Pre 65 is where the money is at.

[Kingsley]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Well if you wanted a 351 as an XE then you had to get an ESP.
It was optioned up a fair bit over any other Falcon model of the time
Suspension , interior , engine ( in the sense that it was the only V8 model available ). Unique 2 tone paint and body mouldings. It was the FPV GT of its time. Was a great looking car with awesome potential and the last of the aussie clevos so it deserves its asking price.

XE Police chasers are good value for money. 351 4 speed with the Ghia headlights.

I'd be interested in where the value of some of the classics go if the housing bubble finally bursts like they keep telling us it is.

[JIm260]

Originally Posted by Sprint

Pre 65 is where the money is at.

I would argue pre XD, thats where the romance of Bathurst specials comes in to play.

Cheers
JIm

[FV4ME]

You'll know when you have a classic and collectable car when your drivin down the road or at a traffic light and some other motorist makes an effort to let you know how fully sick your car is.Some people think that modern and recently modern cars are going to be. Collectable assets.Its all been been done and set.Don't ever forget the early Falcon racing heritage that was hard earned and shows the real statis of the vehicle. These days, Henry has done all the hard yards for you and you still exspect to make big bucks on your INVESTMENT.Dream on. If my wife would let me,l'd love an FGX XR8. OH thats right I cant find one. PS they will win the big one.

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Well if you wanted a 351 as an XE then you had to get an ESP.
It was optioned up a fair bit over any other Falcon model of the time
Suspension , interior , engine ( in the sense that it was the only V8 model available ). Unique 2 tone paint and body mouldings. It was the FPV GT of its time. Was a great looking car with awesome potential and the last of the aussie clevos so it deserves its asking price.

No need to convince me, I'm a huge fan of the XE ESP's. It's just that I can see parallels with the XR8 Sprint in that neither have racing heritage.

I've read there were only 178 examples of 351 XE ESP's built, which is a pretty low number. No doubt there were more than 178 Sprints built, but most have been mutilated, and most were autos. A manual is the smart bet. I can't see them reaching the highs the ESP have already reached, but I'd expect small gains a lot sooner than any other model around the same age.

[Tex Scrotum]

The cars that will be worth something in the future are the ones that guys in their 40s, 50s and 60s say.....
"you know I always wanted one of those"
Their the cars that will rise in value 😉

[Barni]

Originally Posted by Tex Scrotum

The cars that will be worth something in the future are the ones that guys in their 40s, 50s and 60s say.....
"you know I always wanted one of those"
Their the cars that will rise in value 😉

This is spot on....and what I'm after

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Tex Scrotum

The cars that will be worth something in the future are the ones that guys in their 40s, 50s and 60s say.....
"you know I always wanted one of those"
Their the cars that will rise in value 😉

Could be.
I know all the pre teens in my neighbourhood love my BFGT. They stop and stare every time it rumbles by. It's the neighbourhood HOT WHEELS car. Bright shiny blue paint , bold white stripes , flashy badges , big wheels , deep rumble on idle , big brembo brakes. They absolutely LOVE it. It may never happen again that anything like this is available in Australia again.
I do believe that the FPV and T series cars will have a place all their own in years to come with the next gen collectors. The chrome bumper cars ( rustys )are just too expensive and the owners are too greedy. Plastic is where it's at....

[OwnTheRoad]

Originally Posted by Barni

Wow great info guys, thank. Very interesting to hear everyone's views and thoughts. What I have taken from this is that perhaps 'collectable' or 'classic' are not what we should be looking for.

Someone mentioned the ford t3....this is of interest, can someone please share their thoughts on why this will be sought after?
I'm going to take those fords I mentioned in my first post off the list, and look closer at some of these suggestions. Appreciate all the feedback guys.

The T series cars are rather interesting in that if it had been for the determination of the late Geoff Polities they might not have come to exist at all , most notably the series 3 or T3 as it's known.
He had no approval to build it with it Australia only 342ci stroker motor , it was re-engineered using local parts , the block rebuilt heads and ancillaries were retained but the rest of what came from the US as a crate motor was scrapped.
A Oz built and designed inlet and exhaust manifold were made as well all internals were locally sourced.
The suspension and brakes were a quantum leap ahead of HSV , the engines 500nm was a new benchmark with over 450 nm available from 1600rpm
,to find out more visit the T series appreciation room or the national clubs website.
www.tseriesclub.org

Cheers Jase TSCOA Co-Founder and Vice Pres.

[2011G6E]

It may seem like kicking people when they're down, but one possible source of interesting cars new and old might be mining areas where they have faced a savage downturn at the moment.
Out at Blackwater and Emerald here in Queensland for instance for a while now there have been big sales of people getting rid of "all the toys"...old and new cars (some interesting stuff in amongst it), jet skis, boats, RC cars and planes...you name it. They turn up on Facebook "for sale" pages and trader magazines, being sold off sometimes pretty cheaply by people who have suddenly been made redundant and have to pack up everything and leave town.
These areas are also, and have always been, a great source of pretty cheap cars ex-lease...at the end of the lease period people usually sell them off, want to get rid of them quickly, so sometimes only sell them for the pay out amount of the lease. Keep your eye out and you see SS Commodores and FPV Falcons selling for ludicrously low prices, purely because people out here see them as "only lease cars" and they just want to unload them as quickly as possible to get their new lease car. You do have to move quick ly as everyone knows about it...it's hardly a secret. The trick is that sometimes they won't be advertised online or in magazines...they'll usually be sitting advertised on printed out ads on notice boards in shopping centers out there and in the windows of businesses.

It's a bit of work, but if you knew someone in the area who could keep an eye out, there's the chance to pick up modern muscle for far far less than you would in the cities and coastal regional areas.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by OwnTheRoad

The T series cars are rather interesting in that if it had been for the determination of the late Geoff Polities they might not have come to exist at all , most notably the series 3 or T3 as it's known.
He had no approval to build it with it Australia only 342ci stroker motor , it was re-engineered using local parts , the block rebuilt heads and ancillaries were retained but the rest of what came from the US as a crate motor was scrapped.
A Oz built and designed inlet and exhaust manifold were made as well all internals were locally sourced.
The suspension and brakes were a quantum leap ahead of HSV , the engines 500nm was a new benchmark with over 450 nm available from 1600rpm
,to find out more visit the T series appreciation room or the national clubs website.
www.tseriesclub.org

Cheers Jase TSCOA Co-Founder and Vice Pres.

T3, Blueprint, sunroof, manual is my secret wants

[Express]

This is an article from CarsGuide in 2011 and what is has to say is still pertinent for today’s Aussie market and also reflects the opinions of what many members have already said.

Future classic cars

Mark Hinchliffe
24 January 2011










It's the age-old question many car owners face. While few motoring fans ever make money on cars, a successful classic car fanatic once told me he became a collector simply by never selling anything.

But what is an old bomb and what is a future classic worth holding on to? The classics that are fetching good money at auction in Australia these days are muscle cars.

That's probably because the people who can afford them are now near retirement and they were the cars they dreamed of in their youth in the 1970s. Therefore, tomorrow's classics could be the cars the next generation will value.

So does that mean early WRXs and other rice burners will be collector cars, or will Aussie-built cars remain top value? British Car Auctions recently named the British version of the Aussie-built Holden Commodore, the Vauxhall Omega V6, as one of five current-model future classics worth holding on to. Among the others are three new "retro" models - Mini, Fiat 500 and VW Beetle.

The BCA says convertible models of these will be highly desirable as well as the new Mini Clubman wagon and coming Mini Countryman SUV. Others listed by the BCA include the affordable and quirky Mazda RX8 with its rotary engine and suicide doors, the even quirkier Citroen C3 Pluriel and the now-defunct Honda S2000 sportscar.

The BCA reckons two-seater sportscars such as the Mazda MX5 are always a good bet for future classic status as well as special-edition cars such as RS-badged Fords, Fiat Abarth, Renault-Sport, BMW-M series, WRX Subaru and VW R32 models.

In Australia, Shannons Insurance state business development manager Phil Ross says a lot of collectors are putting a variety of cars in their garages "for a rainy day".

"If we look at the reasons why some cars become more collectable than others, I can say without a doubt it's the low numbers manufactured combined with the general popularity of that car at some point," he says. If you take Aussie muscle cars we know they made only low numbers of Phase 1, 2, and 3 GT Falcons.

"Team that with the fact that it won Bathurst, means it has real street cred, rather than a Brock Lada. They made only a handful and no-one really wants one and they aren't worth much.

"So I guess that adds up to being not collectable except in the eyes of maybe a Brock collector. I noticed one of these at the Brock museum, so Peter Champion may think it's a collector car."

Supercars are also high on the list for collectors, but sadly beyond the reach of most car lovers. Ross believes the $3 million Bugatti Veyron is a "dead certainty" to become a collector classic, along with a string of other supercars made in small numbers such as the McLaren and GT1 Porsche road-going versions.

"In Australia, we have seen the re-release of the GT Falcon Cobra and many people put them away in the garage," he says. "I think they will be a collector car when they're 30 years old, so it's a future classic.

"Also the last Monaro was bought by many collectors and put away in garages. We know this because we insured them on laid-up cover. They were not even registered and that type of policy does not cover road use."

So has the value of the Monaro increased? "Yes and no," Ross says. "Some have been sold for more than they were purchased but history tells us the real gains don't happen until it's about 30 years old."

Ross has been at Shannons for 10 years and has always been interested in cars having raced a 1966 Mustang coupe at one stage and owning about 30 cars such as Monaro V8s, "Yank tanks" and small sports cars.

"I've been able to advise a lot of people about what to buy before the market went up and some have done well with the resale but we don't really have an expert at Shannons that has all the answers," he says.

Shannons auction manager Chris Boribon says they are sometimes taken by surprise with a vehicle that becomes a popular collector item.
"Sometimes it's not the prettiest of vehicles but they do have a reasonable market," he says.

Shannons reports that classic Japanese cars are becoming hot among collectors. They include early model Mazda RX7s (series 1 1979-80) and the last model (series 6 1992-95), the Australian-released 1992 R32 Nissan Skyline and Mazda RX2 and RX3.

Ross says vintage motocross bikes are a surprise collector item. He says a Yamaha 1975 TT 500 could be bought for $1000 in good running order five years ago and is now worth up to $5000 restored.

Other popular models are the first Honda SL trail bikes, pre-75 Bultaco Pursangs, Honda Elsinores, Suzuki RMs up to mid-80s. Classic road bikes are also making a comeback.

FUTURE CLASSICS

Bugatti Veyron, Citroen C3 Pluriel, Corvette ZR6, Fiat 500, Fiat Abarth, Ford BA Falcon (2002-TS 50), Ford Focus RS, Ford BF Cobra (2007), FPV F6 Typhoon ute, Holden 2006 CV8Z Monaro, Honda S2000, Mazda RX8, Mazda MX5, McLaren, Mini, Porsche GT1, Renault-Sport, Subaru WRX, VW Beetle

CURRENTLY HOT

AUSSIES

Holden: A9X Torana, XU1 Torana, HK 327 V8 Bathurst Monaro to HQ 350v8 Monaro coupe, Walkinshaw Commodores (including W427), Blue Meanie Group A Commodore
Ford: XY & XW GT Falcon
Valiant: All Australian Chargers, especially Bathurst models

AMERICANS

Camaros: The '69 model is very hot.
Corvettes: Up to the '80s but mainly late '50s to late '60s and '70s big block roadsters.
Mustangs: Mainly fastbacks and Shelby from 1965-1968. The '67 Shelby GT500 is very hot.

GERMANS

BMW: M series
Porsche: All small-bumper models (1973 911T); RS models, 993 RSCS or RS Touring (1995); 930 Turbo ('70s-'80s Australian Delivered)
VW: '60s Khombi vans, Golf R32

http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news...6#.VYTNOcIw9hF