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25-01-2014, 12:19 AM | #1 | |||
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To take some of your quotes (therefore the company is (forced)forced to seek cheaper labour to compete with cheaper countries, meanwhile nothing is coming down in price.) How true is this, for example, Sidchrome went over seas yet their spanners never got any cheaper, but the quality did, although they tried to tell us they were still as good, Same with Clipsal, all your power points and light switches and stuff are now from over seas yet still cost the same. There are many more items out there in the same boat. And another quote. (therefore poverty is now moving to professionals also) Darn right there. My niece finished her law degree at the end of 2012 and still hasnt been able to get a job in her field. The usual excuses, "we want someone with experience" well how the hell do you get experience if you wont give them a chance! Btw, has anyone noticed Nabisco biscuits are made in China, yes, including Oreos. Colgate toothpaste, made in Thailand. Makes me sick. |
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26-01-2014, 05:22 PM | #3 | |||
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26-01-2014, 05:32 PM | #4 | ||
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thanks mate . I guess it all depends on what children today expect when they grow up , they'll be the ones who decide i think , unless the govt starts creating work for our people rather than selling it all off and leaving nothing besides bureaucracy type work and essential services . ( which i dont think either govt will do ) what will our children do , so far we have 1 generation still at home or living with parents at 30 yrs old , even if married . these people might stay with mum and dad till 40 + and end up inheriting the house anyhow , forgoing the generation of opportunity before them ( our generation) . as work becomes harder to attain , and wages drop further , those growing up wantng a life of dreams of perhaps a job ,a car, a house and family , realising that it just isn't attainable for many at all , we'll have to wait and see whether these people become collective again and start a revolution and demand the right to have a life before they die !!! i guess in the next 10-30 years we'll find out. GOT TO REMEMBER IF A HIGH MAJORITY OF PEOPLE OF ALL TYPES HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY , THERE'LL BE SMART ONES TOO , AS WELL AS STRONG ONES , AND ALL MIXES AIMING FOR ONE THING
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26-01-2014, 10:26 PM | #5 | |||
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Looking at history and extrapolating to our particular situation I see dark days for global west. The rise and rise of asia, their growing economic, social and political power paralleling the decay in the west's manufacturing, financial systems, standard of living and hope. As the Asian middle classes get richer pushing their economies even faster I think the west will get left behind with no or greatly diminishing wealth creating opportunities. In effect we have priced ourselves out of making wealth, we now pay poor countries to do it for us, increasing their wealth decreasing ours. Soon, 30-50 years hence, and this is my fear, there will be a switch in power where it will be cheaper to make stuff in countries like Australia, US, UK. etc this means that before that our economies have slowed down to such a degree that we go backwards, and the next 30-50 years is mine and my children's time. what will this mean to us? The revolution I hope for is a revolution in thinking, in action and in understanding about our consumerism. Buy quality local at a higher cost but less of it rather than more low quality imported stuff, live within our means as individuals and as an community and employ your neighbor. An economically inward looking country, where we support ourselves first, invest in ourselves and reap the rewards ourselves JP |
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24-01-2014, 11:53 PM | #7 | ||
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The upper brass need to share the pain instead of passing it down to the shop floor or simply blaming the nasty unions all the time.
So how about limiting the salaries to say $100k per annum (who really NEEDS more money than this esp if your business is struggling). No more company cars to drive to work in, the worker on a lower wage has to purchase a car to drive to work in. No more perks etc so they can live in the real world too. |
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selling assets that werent thiers , was and is the axis of all eveil , allowing executives to gain all the profit , was also evil , and private shares instead of taxes going towards business was further evil . our taxes became bureaucratic welfare . Last edited by gtfpv; 25-01-2014 at 12:08 AM. |
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25-01-2014, 12:11 AM | #9 | |||
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Salaries 100k , better not mention that to the Union heavies , you'll be blacklisted . |
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But on the flip side when things are going to hell and they still draw bonuses when everyone gets the boot left right and centre, well that is what annoys most people. And $100k won't even retain the dullest light bulb in upper management ANYWHERE : |
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25-01-2014, 12:33 AM | #11 | ||
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I'm wondering,.... if Toyota workers accept the new conditions (and I would if I were in their shoes) would this set a precedent for other large employers to follow?
When things were great so were workers conditions, it is only to be expected that the belt automatically tightens when things slow down. Getting paid to donate blood? What a joke. Scrap that perk altogether IMO.
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25-01-2014, 12:45 AM | #12 | ||
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Toyota workers and the unions will dig their heels in cos they think Toyota is bluffing
If TMC close shop because their workers are too stupid to understand what's happening in the real world, I say they deserve what's coming to them It's a shame that they are going to take so many others with them |
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25-01-2014, 01:31 AM | #13 | ||
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Sick Leave ??? I'm self employed, if I don't work I don't get paid.
Is it true that every single auto-worker has to be a union member? If so why? |
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25-01-2014, 09:29 AM | #15 | ||
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That's right, All of us who are self employed make an absolute fortune.......... That famous quote " You work for yourself, you must be loaded !! " Back on topic...........
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25-01-2014, 01:33 PM | #16 | ||
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if you cant pay your bills or take a holiday , or be sick , then up your rates . if your self employed you should be on more than an employee in the same field otherwise what are you doing to yourself and trying to promote to everyone . HOW TO BE A LOSER FOR A LIVING ?
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25-01-2014, 09:45 AM | #17 | |||
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You will find there are many people self employed or on contracts who roll their eye's at the benefits that union people have. Having worked many years within government, I'm under no fantasy about the true worth of union labour and their trigger happy approach to down tools and go running to the union every time some non-union person outperforms them at work. As for this being my problem, you're right (but not in the way you think). I pay for my own holidays, sickies, insurances, have a mortgage, pay school fee's and for my good work I get taxed to death paying for programs to help swarms of socially disadvantaged people, academics and useless public servants (to name a few). At the end of the day there isn't much money left. So if Toyota closes, there will be more people looking for a handout from my already depleted pay packet. Finally for some reason you seem to think being self employed is a gold plated lifestyle, this is the class warfare propaganda fed by the unions to their minions. Let me take a wild stab in the dark, you're part of a union? |
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25-01-2014, 10:41 AM | #18 | |||
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All the people I know with their own business have the missus on the books, two new lease cars, get ABN rebates, tax breaks on assets and cook the books to get child payments. You need a new accountant. I do agree that a lot of the union fights have been run and won, and the right to a safe work place should be universal but some items, esp dismissal laws need to be backed off. On union sites you basically cannot get the sack these days and that hurts productivity. |
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25-01-2014, 10:42 AM | #19 | |||
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My union does not indulge in class warfare. We never stop work or go on strilke-we reach a deal with employer -if we cant make common ground-it goes to the industrial adjudicator.. and the decison is accepted. We all make choices about what we do in our life -each to its own. For each union eba there has been a group of managers who jointly negoiated a deal. I used to be on the management team a few years back so understand both sides. To bargain my income and conditions I would rather be part of a group of 40,000 lets say a union than be an independent contractor with the power of 1-one. But hey thats my choice, I dont want to invest my limited capital in a buisness venture as i got burned many years ago by Pyramid Building Societ and an ex wife. But hey thats just my choice. |
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25-01-2014, 01:39 PM | #20 | |||
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Remember this all workers regardless if self employed or employees pay mortgages, school fees taxes etc, so what is so special about you? Yes I'm a union member & proud of it but what right do you have to judge me as I'm no different to you trying to make a decent living for myself & family. |
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25-01-2014, 01:49 PM | #21 | |||
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GREAT POST , BUT ONE SIDED . i was also self employed doing a 2nd job , whilst also being a full time employee . it's easier to be in a union working for someone . however being self employed offered more success and risk . i had to keep a level head being self employed , and i had to stand one out with union principles as unions stand and work for safety , when i was self employed i had to put my own job on the line and risk peril . what i'm saying is running a business and being self insured , rather than pretend i could do things better than the work force there , i literally went one step further towardfs safety and refusal to buckle to the company at the risk of losing contracts . i once shut down a whole factory overnight because of a breakdown , that was potentially fatal if risked by the company . the union employees onsite were scared to do this , however as i was running the shift , i locked out the plant , called the ceo , told him i'm shutting down his company , and his shift supervisor is being a dill , trying to threaten me , if he overides my lock outs the police will be called as with work cover . he was fuming over the phone and came out that night to inspect . by morning he was thanking me for doing it , and saving lives . from that point forward i was respected and had full support of the ceo and company management , and they wanted me to be there non stop . using union principles as a self employed contractor . PLEASE SPARE ME THE HOGWASH OF HOW GREAT YOU ARE AND BETTER THAN EMPLOYEES CAUSE YOU WORK FOR YOURSELF , AND BAG PEOPLE EMPLOYED . |
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25-01-2014, 10:15 AM | #22 | |||
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You don't HAVE to be a union member, but I reckon if you become a member it will make your life much much easier otherwise you'll be bullied constantly and people will make your life hard. Same thing with the CFMEU on construction sites, join up or you WILL cop **** 24/7. Don't be under the illusion you were with Holden and their EBA agreement when they agreed to cut conditions, but the company still announced closure anyway, the same thing will happen. Not only that but I reckon that Tony Abbot is probably talking to the heads of Toyota to get them to try to get rid of the current EBA through court, because if they do, it will set a precedent and that my friends is dangerous. They got knocked back once in court but they are trying to appeal it. |
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25-01-2014, 01:48 AM | #23 | ||
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Why is it the workers fault?
Why is it the unions fault? Its the employers sign off on what they agree to pay/benefits to employees in EBA's. Managers are educated people with degrees these days and therefore accountable, so why would they sign off on something that will be detrimental to them and the company? What ? The working class in Australia have rights? Imagine that... Share the pain managers, stand up and be accountable - you can't off load everything to someone else all the time. |
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Toyota are goneski
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We all took a 5% pay cut to supposedly save our car supplier company (Flexdrive Industries) and where did that get us ?, NOW REDUNDANT !
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i must say they seem to have it pretty good
double time and a half on a sunday?????? whats wrong with the good old fashioned first two hrs is time and a galf rest is double time for sat and double for sunday getting paid to give blood? seriously....either do it on your day off or dont do it ffs i consider myself lucky getting 2.5% pay rise and getting to keep my income protection i can lieu my overtime if i wish and i can cash out my rdo hrs at time and a half that'll do me
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We don't even get double time, only time and a half and they won't do time off in lieu either so I don't do any overtime, don't really need the $$$ would rather the TOIL.
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Toyota is gonski because the suppliers need all 3 company's in this country to be sustainable, the fuel tank company for example is going to loose 2/3 of its business when Holden and Ford shut and they wont stay open/afloat for just one of them.
An hey back off you all, I'm quite happy to keep my two and half times on sunday, thank you FoMoCo for the extra gravy! |
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