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View Poll Results: What out of the two options do you believe is safer? | |||
A late 70's Fairlane or equivalent, size does matter. |
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25 | 14.45% |
A late model hatch such as Focus or equivalent, it is not the size but how you use it. |
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148 | 85.55% |
Voters: 173. You may not vote on this poll |
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Put an egg inside a foam lined plastic box and drop it off the roof of your house, i bet the egg survives but the plastic deforms, place an egg inside a box made from 10mm thick steel and drop it off the same roof... i bet the box remains perfectly intact but the egg smashes...
Plastic box = new car, Steel box = old car.... Sadly the egg = you or i....
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no doubt some modern cars are better a lot of the time, but there are some circumstances were i`d rather a big car with a lot of rear and frontal area thats not aerodynamicly wedge shaped in a collision.
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Ich bin ein auslander
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Which one do think will give the better odds the majority of the time, no fence sitting option in the poll?
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New car, less impact from the collison on the occupants, thats why they buildd them with plastic / light metal, the car takes most of the force and sucks it in, therefore the safety cell protects the occupants and makes the hit softer.
Older car = heavier impact, damage maybe much less but the occupants are gonig to jarred and thrown around way more, not to mention no proper lap sash seatbelts, pretentioners or airbags to also aide the impact. In saying that however id pick an FG Falcon over a LV Focus today!
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Could we please keep the debate out of it. If yo would like to add to the debate, please cut and paste a quote into the other thread and debate it there.
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I would prefer to be in the newer car. Things like crumble zones, airbags etc have come along way in 40 years. A big car like a Fairlane in this case probably would withstand quite a bit of damage, but what about the occupants in side?
I've been in many old Holdens, and Fords, and I seriously would not like to be in them in a severe accident. |
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Old car for me.
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Size it up
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Frontal airbags, side airbags, roof airbags, thorax airbags, scrotal airbags, airbags for every situation. NEW CAR
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Long live the Falcon GT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ptUrQOMPs
This video is COMPLETELY relevant to the OP and the Poll.... Not sure if you guys have seen this... but it is certainly worth the 2 minutes... This is a video of a 1959 Chevrolet Impala vs a 2009 Chevrolet Malibu... Head on impact (in highspeed camera) I know which car I'd rather be in...
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New car everytime. The odds are better- there may be accidents where the old girl performs better, but these are not in the majority.
That said, referencing the above video, 1959 Bel Airs had a shocking (even for the time) X-frame chassis that is as weak as a noodle.
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Just cause the bumpers are made of metal does not = strength.
The lighter, smaller, newer car is much stronger. To place your life on the hope that you will be significantly heavier than the other party, is too much of a gamble for me. It is a no brainer......unfortunately prophetically. New for me
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![]() With the simple question of "what is safer" I resorted to which I am more likely to crash. And the answer is a new, super safe egg carton - hands down. Though I don't have an old car at the moment, when I did I used it to the tune of about 5000km a year. At the same time, I used my AU for about 120,000kms a year. As a percentage of time exposed to a potential crash, the old car was only about 4% of my driving time. In it I was more diligent than I was in the AU and paid far more attention to braking distances, wet weather and not attracting the attention of the fuzz by speeding. So take my 4% driving time, add some extra due care and attention and it was very unlikely I would have been involved in a prang compared to in my [at the time] new and super safe Falcon. Don't get me started on the odds of actually getting the thing out of the shed ![]() If I had the choice of car to crash, it would obviously be a new one - almost any new one would do over anything more than a few years old. |
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There are alot of factors relating to which car to be in, to prevent injuries. Speed, how many ancap rating points the car has, for starters.
However for the sake of this thread, I don't want a to and froing incident occuring. So we'll leave it at that and my solitary vote.
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A wheel alignment fixes everything, when it comes to front end issues. This includes any little noises. Please read the manual carefully, as the these manufacturers spent millions of dollars making sure it is perfect.....Now why are there so many problems with my car, when I follow the instructions to the letter?....Answer, majority rules round here Lock me up and throw away the key because I'm a hoon....I got caught doing 59 in a 60 zone Last edited by svo supporter; 24-08-2010 at 08:19 PM. |
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Ok, the poll and the discussion is going great, well done everyone.
I have to say that I am a little surprised that there are 10% that believe the old car is safer. What worries me at the moment is that there have been 10% say the old car is safer but no where near 10% of posters have made any form of statement that backs this vote. My fear is that there are some that are just voting to mess with the figures but either do not actually believe it or don't really have any opinion. I hope that is not the case. Now that the other thread is locked there is no other option for debate, but I still do wish to see debate here. I would like to see reason for personal opinion to back up votes if possible. I think in the spirit of this it is reasonable to ask for evidence of why this opinion is held. Now there is no secret how I feel so myself pointing out that I voted for the new car is really a bit pointless. But I did vote for the new car and I have done more research to see if I am on the right track. For those that have a interest in this topic, have a read through ADR 73/00 in the tech section. This ADR was dated 2005 covering offset frontal crash tests and is still in force. Important points are the test has to occur at 56 km/h +/-1 km and must be full kerb mass with the strict fuel weight and equipment weight restrictions. Many of the cars pre 2005 that I have seen videos of the crash test would not have passed the criteria under this ADR, all cars post 2005 must to achieve compliance. A good example is this 2002 Dodge ram crash here or this Ford F150 here Both are big cars, both failed miserably. Just the simple fact that the door opened on impact is an instant fail. Evidence like that demonstrate to me very clearly how safety standards have improved over time with a turning point being 2005. These research results also back up my professional observations attending actual car crashes. That is why I voted the way I did. So for me I would prefer a new car for a daily driver and an old classic for a toy to come out for enjoyable (but careful) cruises on the weekend (anyone know of a good condition 307 ci HK Premier in good condition).
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I don't have access to the restricted forums here any more, but I'm sure this thread would defiantly be up for an award.
Suggestions for the next poll might be along the lines of What is safer to juggle (a) tennis balls (b) enriched uranium
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I can't see debating in this thread achieving anything more than what the last thread did.
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I voters the 5 star ANCAP rated Focus, but if I had my choice:
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No. It's because anything I say you don't believe anyways. So it's pointless trying to convince someone that's set in their ways.
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A wheel alignment fixes everything, when it comes to front end issues. This includes any little noises. Please read the manual carefully, as the these manufacturers spent millions of dollars making sure it is perfect.....Now why are there so many problems with my car, when I follow the instructions to the letter?....Answer, majority rules round here Lock me up and throw away the key because I'm a hoon....I got caught doing 59 in a 60 zone |
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My dad rolled a xy gtho 11 times butt over head. All five occupants where fine except for some fuel in their eyes (gas tank split). I don't see a buzz box surviving more than a single roll.
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And that, crumple zones, Side intrusion bars, modern metals are in-effective at passenger protection?
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Now there is Boron-steels that are much stronger then normal steel. A bloke at work rolled his liberty of a road (at around 150km/h) through a fence, and all his passengers survived. Case's like that, i think are more lady luck...
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hi all,well spent 20 years on my 79 zh fairlane,and i reckon i fell safe,then my 03 and 09 xr8,my 2 cents
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But on the subject of metals, what the heck? iron hasn't changed since it was formed in the star it came from. I think you mean alloys and steels. And you will find cheaper substandard steels are more prolific now than ever across the board.
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thats a light Fairlane, my 351 ZF weighed 1792kg. Here are specs of the 1977 ZH and P6 LTD Dimensions: Length: Width: Height: Wheelbase: Front track: Rear track: Kerb weight: Turning circle: Fuel tank: Boot space: Fairlane 5196mm 1956mm 1367mm 2946mm 1537mm 1524mm 1768kg 12.6 m 79.5 litres 494.7 litres LTD 5364mm 1956mm 1366mm 3074mm 1537mm 1524mm 1832kg 12.9 m 79.5 litres 494.7 litres |
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