VFacts Feb 2024

[FlipXW]

Originally Posted by naddis01

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...-new-car-sales

Just outside of the top three was Nissan, which had a huge month especially considering it sat in 12th place last month.

1% finance did its job by the looks. If only they offered it on the Patrol.

[CyberWasp]

Am i being sack-religious saying Ford Australia would almost be better off to go grovelling to Mazda to relive the past in bringing back the Laser off the 3 and make the Escape off the CX5 ect.

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Am i being sack-religious saying Ford Australia would almost be better off to go grovelling to Mazda to relive the past in bringing back the Laser off the 3 and make the Escape off the CX5 ect.

Not at all. Mazda are at the very least a full service manufacturer, Ford are not.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Am i being sack-religious saying Ford Australia would almost be better off to go grovelling to Mazda to relive the past in bringing back the Laser off the 3 and make the Escape off the CX5 ect.

Ford sold their % in their Mazda ownership many years ago.

This won’t happen ever

[Smoke Pursuit]

Ford dealers would be pushed selling much more stock then they currently are. The ones I work with are pretty much over capacity as far as storage, predelivery and servicing go. There is actually potential for Ford to increase sites with current demand but I think dealers are reluctant to invest with the NVES on the horizon and what that may do to do the likes of Ranger etc.



As for Mustang I have given up. So cranky I sold my S550 a year ago on the premise my S650 was coming late last year.

[Franco Cozzo]

Curious to how the Vfacts figures from 2023/2024 compare with 2013/2014 with the model breakdowns

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Curious to how the Vfacts figures from 2023/2024 compare with 2013/2014 with the model breakdowns

https://www.goauto.com.au/research-c...ales-2013.html

If you click on the different years under "All VFACTS articles" it will list the articles within each year, although you don't always get full brand, top 10 numbers.

EG. March 2013:
Top 10 Sellers for March:
Mazda3 3786
Toyota Corolla 3512
Toyota HiLux 3127
Hyundai i30 2595
Nissan Navara 2499
Holdan Cruze 2335
Toyota Camry 1916
Mazda CX-5 1830
Ford Ranger 1685
Nissan Pulsar 1644

VFACTS sales March 2013:
Brand Sales Movement %
Toyota 18,653 1.0
Mazda 9,112 -2.5
Nissan 8,408 1.2
Hyundai 8,402 7.6
Holden 8,283 -18.8
Ford 6,434 -13.7
Mitsubishi 5,147 -14.3
Volkswagen4,299 -4.1
Subaru 4,219 5.4
Honda 3,897

Top 10 selling brands for 2013
Brand Sales Variance %
Toyota 214,630 -1.6
Holden 112,059 -2.3
Mazda 103,144 -0.7
Hyundai 97,006 6.0
Ford 87,236 -3.5
Nissan 76,733 -3.8
Mitsubishi 71,528 21.5
Volkswagen 54,829 0.1
Subaru 40,200 0.0
Honda 39,258 9.6

Top 10 selling models for 2013
Model Sales
Toyota Corolla 43,498
Mazda3 42,082
Toyota HiLux 39,931
Hyundai i30 30,582
Holden Commodore 27,766
Toyota Camry 24,860
Mitsubishi Triton 24,512
Holden Cruze 24,421
Nissan Navara 24,108
Ford Ranger 21,752

Top 10 selling brands March 2014
Rank Brand Sales % Variation
1 Toyota 18,275 -2.0
2 Holden 9851 18.9
3 Mazda 9203 1.0
5 Hyundai 8606 2.4
4 Ford 7037 9.4
6 Nissan 6014 -28.5
7 Mitsubishi 5435 5.5
8 Volkswagen 4613 7.3
9 Subaru 3812 -9.6
10 Kia 2762 4.5

Top 10 selling models March 2014
Rank Model Sales
1 Toyota Corolla 4086
2 Mazda3 3587
3 Toyota HiLux 3105
4 Holden Commodore 2967
5 Hyundai i30 2767
6 Ford Ranger 2300
7 Toyota Camry 2085
8 Mazda CX-5 1932
9 Toyota RAV4 1888
10 Toyota Prado 1719

Top 10 selling brands for 2014
Brand Sales Variation %
Toyota 203,501 -5.2
Holden 106,092 -5.3
Mazda 100,704 -2.4
Hyundai 100,011 3.1
Ford 79,703 -8.6
Mitsubishi 68,637 -4.0
Nissan 66,025 -14.0
Volkswagen 54,801 -0.2
Subaru 40,502 0.8
Honda 32,998 -15.9

Top 10 selling models for 2014
Model Sales
Toyota Corolla 43,735
Mazda3 43,313
Toyota HiLux 38,126
Hyundai i30 31,505
Holden Commodore 30,203
Ford Ranger 26,619
Mitsubishi Triton 24,256
Toyota Camry 22,044
Mazda CX-5 21,571
Volkswagen Golf 19,178

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

https://www.goauto.com.au/research-c...ales-2013.html

If you click on the different years under "All VFACTS articles" it will list the articles within each year, although you don't always get full brand, top 10 numbers.

EG. March 2013:
Top 10 Sellers for March:
Mazda3 3786
Toyota Corolla 3512
Toyota HiLux 3127
Hyundai i30 2595
Nissan Navara 2499
Holdan Cruze 2335
Toyota Camry 1916
Mazda CX-5 1830
Ford Ranger 1685
Nissan Pulsar 1644

VFACTS sales March 2013:
Brand Sales Movement %
Toyota 18,653 1.0
Mazda 9,112 -2.5
Nissan 8,408 1.2
Hyundai 8,402 7.6
Holden 8,283 -18.8
Ford 6,434 -13.7
Mitsubishi 5,147 -14.3
Volkswagen4,299 -4.1
Subaru 4,219 5.4
Honda 3,897

Top 10 selling brands for 2013
Brand Sales Variance %
Toyota 214,630 -1.6
Holden 112,059 -2.3
Mazda 103,144 -0.7
Hyundai 97,006 6.0
Ford 87,236 -3.5
Nissan 76,733 -3.8
Mitsubishi 71,528 21.5
Volkswagen 54,829 0.1
Subaru 40,200 0.0
Honda 39,258 9.6

Top 10 selling models for 2013
Model Sales
Toyota Corolla 43,498
Mazda3 42,082
Toyota HiLux 39,931
Hyundai i30 30,582
Holden Commodore 27,766
Toyota Camry 24,860
Mitsubishi Triton 24,512
Holden Cruze 24,421
Nissan Navara 24,108
Ford Ranger 21,752

Top 10 selling brands March 2014
Rank Brand Sales % Variation
1 Toyota 18,275 -2.0
2 Holden 9851 18.9
3 Mazda 9203 1.0
5 Hyundai 8606 2.4
4 Ford 7037 9.4
6 Nissan 6014 -28.5
7 Mitsubishi 5435 5.5
8 Volkswagen 4613 7.3
9 Subaru 3812 -9.6
10 Kia 2762 4.5

Top 10 selling models March 2014
Rank Model Sales
1 Toyota Corolla 4086
2 Mazda3 3587
3 Toyota HiLux 3105
4 Holden Commodore 2967
5 Hyundai i30 2767
6 Ford Ranger 2300
7 Toyota Camry 2085
8 Mazda CX-5 1932
9 Toyota RAV4 1888
10 Toyota Prado 1719

Top 10 selling brands for 2014
Brand Sales Variation %
Toyota 203,501 -5.2
Holden 106,092 -5.3
Mazda 100,704 -2.4
Hyundai 100,011 3.1
Ford 79,703 -8.6
Mitsubishi 68,637 -4.0
Nissan 66,025 -14.0
Volkswagen 54,801 -0.2
Subaru 40,502 0.8
Honda 32,998 -15.9

Top 10 selling models for 2014
Model Sales
Toyota Corolla 43,735
Mazda3 43,313
Toyota HiLux 38,126
Hyundai i30 31,505
Holden Commodore 30,203
Ford Ranger 26,619
Mitsubishi Triton 24,256
Toyota Camry 22,044
Mazda CX-5 21,571
Volkswagen Golf 19,178

Thanks for that - would be good to just compare Ford's model breakdown compared to 2023/2024.

[b0son]

The Wrangler, specifically the Rubicon, sets the benchmark for hardcore production offroaders.

Maybe not in reliability, but certainly ability.

[nearlythere]

Where is holden?

[Sprintey]

We brought up the CX60 in a previous Vfacts, here's a news update on it's suspension and transmission tune:

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...suspension-fix

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

We brought up the CX60 in a previous Vfacts, here's a news update on it's suspension and transmission tune:

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...suspension-fix

This is somewhat strange for Mazda, in the past chassis and powertrain calibration prowess was a given. I guess without the Ford partnership splitting development costs, the finer details are getting overlooked.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

This is somewhat strange for Mazda, in the past chassis and powertrain calibration prowess was a given. I guess without the Ford partnership splitting development costs, the finer details are getting overlooked.

I wonder what the cost differences are between say taking an off-the shelf and very highly regarded ZF 8 speed TC-auto vs the costs of developing this setup in house plus all the negative press.

I find it odd that Mazda thought it was OK to release these vehicles considering part of their aim with the new rwd-biased platform for it's CX-x0 models was to go upmarket in perception and obviously price. Ride quality and powertrain smoothness/quietness are just given requirements in this area.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I wonder what the cost differences are between say taking an off-the shelf and very highly regarded ZF 8 speed TC-auto vs the costs of developing this setup in house plus all the negative press.

I find it odd that Mazda thought it was OK to release these vehicles considering part of their aim with the new rwd-biased platform for it's CX-x0 models was to go upmarket in perception and obviously price. Ride quality and powertrain smoothness/quietness are just given requirements in this area.

Shades of a an originally good idea about bringing back multiple I-6 RWD vehicles
that’s been progressively scaled back because Euro brands didn’t launch as expected.

We’re possibly looking at a replacement for the CX-7 later this year and the CX-60 caught my eye
but honestly, all we need is the CX-8 and the location of the Cx-60 timing belt worries me.
The CX-60 reminds me of a misbegotten BMW with equally costly post warranty issues.
I can’t take the chance, so that’s a no from me.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

This is somewhat strange for Mazda, in the past chassis and powertrain calibration prowess was a given. I guess without the Ford partnership splitting development costs, the finer details are getting overlooked.

Post 'zoom-zoom' era Mazda are a joke, they're on the trajectory of Honda, which was another great auto manufacturer who drank the koolaid and tried to emulate white goods pioneer, Toyota but badly failed.

As far as their sketchy in house developed transmission is, typical engineers trying to reinvent the wheel and fix something there's no problems with, should have just used the 8sp ZF box and be done with it.

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Post 'zoom-zoom' era Mazda are a joke, they're on the trajectory of Honda, which was another great auto manufacturer who drank the koolaid and tried to emulate white goods pioneer, Toyota but badly failed.

As far as their sketchy in house developed transmission is, typical engineers trying to reinvent the wheel and fix something there's no problems with, should have just used the 8sp ZF box and be done with it.

Mazda tried to have it both ways. Deliver less and charge more. It's like a shrinkflated supermarket product going up in price.

In retrospect the ND MX-5 was really the first symptom of this, no attention paid to steering calibration at all, in a car that is meant to be all about the handling. Really big backwards step over the NC in all areas except kerb weight.

For what Mazda are charging it's hard not to justify stretching to a BMW.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

This is somewhat strange for Mazda, in the past chassis and powertrain calibration prowess was a given. I guess without the Ford partnership splitting development costs, the finer details are getting overlooked.

I don't remember Ford offering fixes on the 10 speed auto changes on the previous ranger. I know that was constantly bagged by the reviewers.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by vztrt

I don't remember Ford offering fixes on the 10 speed auto changes on the previous ranger. I know that was constantly bagged by the reviewers.

Correct.

My comments were in line with shared development costs between Mazda and Ford. While Mazda is big in Australia, the brand doesn't have the same presence in other markets, the USA in particular. Being a relatively small brand means they have less resources to play with.

This is where the Ford partnership allowed Mazda to share the expensive items like platforms and powertrains, in turn allowing Mazda to spend money on the finer details like chassis prowess and feel, engine tuning and sound, flamboyant styling, quality interiors ect. Without Ford co-development, Mazda have to spend money differently in developing models from scratch.

I'm not saying new Mazda's are crap, their interiors are simply brilliant for the price, and I love that they decided to pursue RWD platforms and inline 6 engines. However, in certain respects Mazda have moved in a different direction or even backwards. Things like chassis and steering tuning, which had previously been their hallmark. The budget constraints and customers wanting less road noise and ride harshness have led Mazda to chase a wider audience, while compromising what made them great.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by vztrt

I don't remember Ford offering fixes on the 10 speed auto changes on the previous ranger. I know that was constantly bagged by the reviewers.

I thought the early Ford 10 speeds were criticised for constantly shifting up and down or were they clunky/jerky in slow and stop start traffic like all "DSG-type boxes"?

[XR Martin]

It's no different than Toyota with the current Corolla, they put a torque converter in a CVT gearbox to try to make it feel more like a normal gearbox. A whole bunch of early ones had to be recalled and the gearbox replaced.
They are still not great, and I reckon the previous one had a smoother box.

https://www.clintonstoyota.com.au/ne...-cvt-assembly/

[kevino]

Geez JPD80 can’t you get a Ford SUV?
Oh that’s right Ford don’t sell any in Aus
What a screwed up coy. Don’t sell products that Ford enthusiasts would buy and introduce to ten other people
I saw a Europcar rental Everest yesterday mmmm FOA selling its premium model ( well 1 of 3) to rental coys now.

[Falcon SXR8]

Did these people not test drive the mazda before buying it? Seems odd to complain about the ride and shift quality,something that should have been picked up on a test drive of the vehicle.

[kevino]

Give Skoda a tick
Skoda Kamiq run out $32990 da
Skoda Karoq new base but includes heaps $39990 da

Mazda will go the way of the dinosaurs

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by kevino

Give Skoda a tick
Skoda Kamiq run out $32990 da
Skoda Karoq new base but includes heaps $39990 da

Mazda will go the way of the dinosaurs

Add in a seven year warranty and a dealer network that stretches pretty much as far as Mazda's does, why pick Mazda over Skoda.

Not to mention Skoda's sedans aren't a billion year old design

[jpd80]

From what I’ve seen, anyone who buys a VW based product in Australia
deserves everything they get in spades….

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

From what I’ve seen, anyone who buys a VW based product in Australia
deserves everything they get in spades….

I hate VAG more than Oxford Street in Sydney

[kevino]

lol
We have a 21 Polo 2.75 years into a five year lease

Dsg
Three cyl turbo

What could go wrong?

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by kevino

lol
We have a 21 Polo 2.75 years into a five year lease

Dsg
Three cyl turbo

What could go wrong?

We have the T-cross at work, and the way it can't wait to shift up a gear to presumably save fuel, causing the engine to lugg and even ping does not give any confidence for engine longevity.

[kevino]

Yeah
There’s two tunes on the one litre
Ones 70 kw and 175nm at 1500 or 1750rpm
Other is 85 kw and 200 nm at 2000rpm

I reckon the lower power engine changes smoother from stop as torque developed lower

Have you tried driving it in sport mode?