another cunning desguised speed camera

[Elks]

Originally Posted by ZC-383

Well hey if you dont speed there is no need to look out for the bloody things is there....

100% correct. I was caught doing 66 in a 60 zone on a downhill run. We are talking 100 to 200 rpm here not street racing. It is an infringement I should have been more careful. I paid my fine and copped the points. Done deal.

All I was commenting on is the topic of the thread which is disguised speed camera's. Clearly they do go to some trouble to catch people and collect the cash rather than have marked cars to slow people down.

Of course you have never, ever, sped nor would you ever in the future, which is why you can be so high and mighty.

ZC-383 This is politically correct argumentative crap. You should either stop this or abandon your dream car (which I'm guessing is a 383 powered ZC, a not so PC car) and get a Prius.

[XA-Coupe]

Originally Posted by myts

ZC-383 This is politically correct argumentative crap. You should either stop this or abandon your dream car (which I'm guessing is a 383 powered ZC, a not so PC car) and get a Prius.

I don't think that's fair. It's safe to say I own two politically incorrect cars and I tend to agree with ZC 383. People are allowed to have differing opinions.
I don't speed as I refuse to pay more tax, it's a protest nothing more. Just shy of 23 years and no tickets, speeding or otherwise and I have owned performance cars since my third car, 21 years ago. Owning a faster than average car isn't a guarantee of getting nailed. I also have had no accidents that are my fault either.
Bleating on the internet won't change a thing, everyone complains but no one ever starts a political movement because really it's all too hard.
It just gets tired.

[Justin@]

Originally Posted by myts

ZC-383 This is politically correct argumentative crap. You should either stop this or abandon your dream car (which I'm guessing is a 383 powered ZC, a not so PC car) and get a Prius.

It's getting built to go fast mate, just in the right place's NOT public roads aye. How is saying that "if you dont speed you have nothing to worry about" posting p/c agumentative crap?

[Justin@]

I always find it funny that the guys that complain the most about the speed camera's are the ones that get busting speeding in the worst places such as school and shopping zones. I dont like the speed cam's and think that the vic gov has taken it way too far with them but if you are carefull and keep an eye on the speedo then you are right and they wont get you.

[mik]

unfortunatley speed cameras dont stop the blokes doing 120 down 50kph resedential street, and quite often the tearasses that do these sorts of things are generally switched on to where cameras are.

[Elks]

No offence meant.:

I get tired of people complaining because they got caught doing something, wrong, or dumb, or both. I was not complaining, just commenting.

Equally I get tired of peoples responses being a simplistic "don't do it". That is not helpful.

I take extreme care to do the right thing. I even use cruise in urban areas!! Like you guys I have traveled about 60,000km each year for the last 20+ years without causing accidents. But I have been fined for speeding. All but once less than 10kph over and never in a school or shopping zone.

In metro Melbourne your odds of any breach being caught are huge. I pass 8 cameras a day going to work (without going through the tunnel) plus any number of mobile units there are 5 regular spots. So a trip to and from work at 10kph over would see me without a license in 1 day.

Speed camera's wont stop you speeding they just photograph it and send you a fine.

The "don't do it" is the politically correct answer.

The argumentative? See all the responses you generated not just mine.

XA-COUPE, you are right.

No one ever starts a political movement because it's hard. We should start a political movement but taking on the police is really hard. Because despite better cars, better roads, and the hundreds of millions in fines, the Road Toll (which I understand to be the purpose behind all this) has varied only slightly in 5 years and the number of people injured has increased. Check the TAC website. I'd stand up, but not alone, would you?

[AusM]

Road toll, last I heard it, for this year, is up 50%! 12 vs 8...
More speed cameras this year than last though...
Speed limits relative to traffic and conditions would be better. 100 on a freeway in torrential rain at peak hour isn't safe, but it's legal. Yet 105 on the same freeway in dry conditions at 3am with no car in sight is illegal. The frustrating thing about law is that it doesn't necessarily relate to what is right by common sense standards.

I'd like to see money go into smart traffic lights that can sense traffic - ie you're not waiting for a light when no other cars are around. Another positive move could be technology that transmits to the car what the speed is for that area - tied in with a display on the dash to show you the speed limit. It would be nice to imagine that speed limits would be based on car and driver ability too, but that will never happen. Until then a 20 year old Hiace with bald tyres carrying 500kgs in the back and with drum brakes will be considered to have the same stopping power of a new Golf GTi, although reality will see it take maybe twice as long to stop.

If they put 10% of the money or resources that go into revenue cameras into other such areas, they'd have a better chance at increasing road safety IMO. But it will most likely get worse before it gets better - the next step is inbuilt GPS which can report and control speed, which is already in testing...

Any other ideas on how money can be better spent for road safety?

[TadKa]

Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

me !! saves me getting tickets ! :

I use cruise a fair bit but I think for me I would be safer doing 5km over (not that i do, just an example) than using cruise in a 50/60 zone. much faster reactions in case a kiddie jumped out or anything.

[bjr22n_]

Originally Posted by PFdesign

Road toll, last I heard it, for this year, is up 50%! 12 vs 8...
More speed cameras this year than last though...
Speed limits relative to traffic and conditions would be better. 100 on a freeway in torrential rain at peak hour isn't safe, but it's legal. Yet 105 on the same freeway in dry conditions at 3am with no car in sight is illegal. The frustrating thing about law is that it doesn't necessarily relate to what is right by common sense standards.

I'd like to see money go into smart traffic lights that can sense traffic - ie you're not waiting for a light when no other cars are around. Another positive move could be technology that transmits to the car what the speed is for that area - tied in with a display on the dash to show you the speed limit. It would be nice to imagine that speed limits would be based on car and driver ability too, but that will never happen. Until then a 20 year old Hiace with bald tyres carrying 500kgs in the back and with drum brakes will be considered to have the same stopping power of a new Golf GTi, although reality will see it take maybe twice as long to stop.

If they put 10% of the money or resources that go into revenue cameras into other such areas, they'd have a better chance at increasing road safety IMO. But it will most likely get worse before it gets better - the next step is inbuilt GPS which can report and control speed, which is already in testing...

Any other ideas on how money can be better spent for road safety?

I think we need to vote for you as transport minister...

[MR_LON]

Originally Posted by PFdesign

Road toll, last I heard it, for this year, is up 50%! 12 vs 8...
More speed cameras this year than last though...
Speed limits relative to traffic and conditions would be better. 100 on a freeway in torrential rain at peak hour isn't safe, but it's legal. Yet 105 on the same freeway in dry conditions at 3am with no car in sight is illegal. The frustrating thing about law is that it doesn't necessarily relate to what is right by common sense standards.

I'd like to see money go into smart traffic lights that can sense traffic - ie you're not waiting for a light when no other cars are around. Another positive move could be technology that transmits to the car what the speed is for that area - tied in with a display on the dash to show you the speed limit. It would be nice to imagine that speed limits would be based on car and driver ability too, but that will never happen. Until then a 20 year old Hiace with bald tyres carrying 500kgs in the back and with drum brakes will be considered to have the same stopping power of a new Golf GTi, although reality will see it take maybe twice as long to stop.

If they put 10% of the money or resources that go into revenue cameras into other such areas, they'd have a better chance at increasing road safety IMO. But it will most likely get worse before it gets better - the next step is inbuilt GPS which can report and control speed, which is already in testing...

Any other ideas on how money can be better spent for road safety?

Originally Posted by bjr22n_

I think we need to vote for you as transport minister...

would never happen as he has sensible ideas for improvement not just to top up the government coffers

[SB076]

I think people would have a lot more respect for speed cameras if they were actually used in black spots

[KITBAG]

MORE INFORMATION PLEASE...........

SUNSHINE AVE is about 7km long

MORE DETAIL OF SPOT............

[SDKC]

Originally Posted by 87 XF - AU11

MORE INFORMATION PLEASE...........

SUNSHINE AVE is about 7km long

MORE DETAIL OF SPOT............

and photos of this alleged camera.

[MOTIV8]

If you think that this is correct that the car used with the speed camera equipment was being disguised, then take a photo a) so that we can see it and b) send to Department of Justice with all of the particulars of the vehicle, site, time,etc...... If at all possible use a Polaroid camera as it is the only medium of photo that can not be altered after the shot has been taken. I am sure that they would be interested to recieve this type of information............

Click on this link for the Mobile Speed Camera Policy and pay particular attention to "Camera Concealment/Disguise" section on the last page

[AusM]

Interesting link Motiv8, here's one that's downloadable:
http://rapidshare.com/files/85636778/manual.pdf.html

Camera Concealment / Disguise
To maintain community confidence in the mobile speed camera initiative, it is
important for the operational use of the device to be seen as fair and reasonable.
Under no circumstances are camera vehicles, tripods or portable flash units (when
used) to be disguised by signs, logos, breakdown of vehicle (eg. boot open or spare
wheel / jack visible etc), tree branches, lamp posts, rubbish bins or any other covert
means.

'It is important', 'should be fair and reasonable'... blah blah, they can get away with whatever, it's not illegal for them to break these 'guidelines'. I saw a camera car in NSW a few weeks back which had some sort of sandwich board in front of the bumper. Didn't get a good look at it, just saw it in the rearview (while doing speed limit!). Boot was also open and there were towels in the rear window. If that doesn't break those guidelines, what does?

[XA-Coupe]

Originally Posted by myts

XA-COUPE, you are right.

No one ever starts a political movement because it's hard. We should start a political movement but taking on the police is really hard. Because despite better cars, better roads, and the hundreds of millions in fines, the Road Toll (which I understand to be the purpose behind all this) has varied only slightly in 5 years and the number of people injured has increased. Check the TAC website. I'd stand up, but not alone, would you?

Actually, you don't take on the cops, they just institute policy. Police command are just puppets of the politicians. As soon as the politicians believe there are more votes in not using speed cameras they will do that, it's the nature of the beast.
Look at all the single interest political parties around, even Scruby has gone semi political as he knows that's how it workes best.

[GSH]

we dont have anything like this in perth

[ea90gl]

using unmarked/disguised cars is purely for money makings sake, they know if marked cars are used people will hit the brakes and slow down therefore not having to fork out money and send it off the government, i agree when people say dont speed and you dont have to worry but you have to agree the way things are being done to catch people out is pathetic. I once saw a guy get pulled over in a TF magna

[GT-E]

In NSW they use fully marked cars with POLICE written down the sides, just like regular patrol cars.
They are normally Falcon wagons, and are no longer disguised.
The reason Speed sCarmeras are dangerous is it makes people continually watch their speedos and not the road.
If anyone thinks sCameras saves lives, needs their head checked. They are their for one reason only....SPEED TAX

[VSSII]

Originally Posted by GSH

we dont have anything like this in perth

We don't really have anything like this in NSW either. All static cameras are signposted no less than 3 times. on both sides of the road.

[R0BD0G]

obviously no pics....interestin to read just how sneaky the buggers are

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

I don't think that's fair. It's safe to say I own two politically incorrect cars and I tend to agree with ZC 383. People are allowed to have differing opinions.
I don't speed as I refuse to pay more tax, it's a protest nothing more. Just shy of 23 years and no tickets, speeding or otherwise and I have owned performance cars since my third car, 21 years ago. Owning a faster than average car isn't a guarantee of getting nailed. I also have had no accidents that are my fault either.
Bleating on the internet won't change a thing, everyone complains but no one ever starts a political movement because really it's all too hard.
It just gets tired.

Spot on.


Ive had 1 ticket in 22 years and probably over 600,000 K's of driving and i'll wear it, ive owned plenty of high performance vehicles (and still do) and i love to enjoy my driving yet i manage to survive day to day without getting booked, even under ever tightening catch methods..
I seriously doubt that car is a speed camera either..

[atec77]

Originally Posted by ZC-383

Why so mate, sticking to the speed limit removes the need to worry about cameras and police.... Do the right thing and they have nothing to pin you for.
People always have a sook about speeding fines and cameras but the fact is if you get done you have done something wrong.
Grow up mate..........

Doing something wrong may not actually being guilty , once charged its very hard to fight a speeding ticket and considering the dodgy maintenance on the cameras and the small allowances of error I am sure some of the fines are crooked , it costs a great deal to beat a ticket which is often unfair when you have not actually done anything but drive by , watching out makes sense.

[Go baby Go]

Back to the original post.... where's the pics? I'm not in that area but a shot would be good to see.
All the ones I have seen although in different models of cars, are not hidden by trailers etc......

[4Vman]

People sook and complain about speed camera's but nobody is forced to speed, remember if you get caught you're actually breaking the law.. and failing to pay adequate attention.
Now i am not suggesting for one second that there isnt a component of their use that's revenue based, but the revenue is a bi product of their effectiveness.
If you want to thwart the speed camera operators and the revenue stream then don't speed, pretty simple really.
If everyone stopped speeding past them then nobody would get fined and conversely revenue would dry up....
Im sure its no co-incidence that there are many people with hundreds of thousands of K's driving and decades of experience without being booked.. Personally if doubling speed camera fines meant that rego fee's were halved id be wrapped, because if history is anything to go by id be nearly $1000 a year better off!!!!!

[zetec]

Originally Posted by ZapXR6T

In NSW they use fully marked cars with POLICE written down the sides, just like regular patrol cars.
They are normally Falcon wagons, and are no longer disguised.
The reason Speed sCarmeras are dangerous is it makes people continually watch their speedos and not the road.
If anyone thinks sCameras saves lives, needs their head checked. They are their for one reason only....SPEED TAX

I still wouldn't want to pass an unmarked Typhoon though..... damn that's nasty

[Smoke Pursuit]

the local boys in warwick have a Ford wagon with roof racks and a ladder attached to the roof, its also got baby shades on the windows!!!

Its hard to pick its a cop car till he turns on the blue and red LEDs which are hidding in the rear / front windows.

[Elks]

Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

Actually, you don't take on the cops, they just institute policy. Police command are just puppets of the politicians. As soon as the politicians believe there are more votes in not using speed cameras they will do that, it's the nature of the beast.

Your right old chap.

In fact the guys in the Rodeo's actually work for Tenix on contract.

There has to be some votes in it. The Victorian Govt. earns in excess of $100m per annum from fines. That's a lot of fines, many of which are no doubt in the margins.


I'll get a pic of one next next time. Won't be long...

[AusM]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

People sook and complain about speed camera's but nobody is forced to speed, remember if you get caught you're actually breaking the law.. and failing to pay adequate attention.
Now i am not suggesting for one second that there isnt a component of their use that's revenue based, but the revenue is a bi product of their effectiveness.
If you want to thwart the speed camera operators and the revenue stream then don't speed, pretty simple really.
If everyone stopped speeding past them then nobody would get fined and conversely revenue would dry up....
Im sure its no co-incidence that there are many people with hundreds of thousands of K's driving and decades of experience without being booked.. Personally if doubling speed camera fines meant that rego fee's were halved id be wrapped, because if history is anything to go by id be nearly $1000 a year better off!!!!!

I heard a police officer saying in Feb last year, at the camera car display at the FPV open day, that speed camera fines are a 'voluntary system' - he smirked to his buddies and said, "you speed, you pay" - and this was his argument to justify them. I asked him about all the civilian camera-car contractors who get themselves or their cars beaten by unhappy motorists. I suggested that becoming a camera operator was a voluntary system too. He stopped talking to me after that for some reason...

(I don't condone that violence at all, the comment was just used to illustrate a point)

[WindsorXR]

In Geelong they set up an old courier down Thompsons rd.