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Yeah not sure what all that is about. VE over load maybe?
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Re Space Saver on my BA XR6 my spare wheel is a 16" steel is this a space saver as my alloys are 17" & wider? The BF XR6 is it the same deal as BA?
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Here are some good comments made by the drive team: Glenn Butler, senior editor, Drive: To Tony Hyde and his dedicated team of engineers: bravo. VE is the best handling, smoothest riding Commodore I’ve ever driven. I’m not going to pre-empt any Holden v Ford comparisons, but Ford should be worried about becoming the perennial bridesmaid in that particular two-car race. Bruce Newton, contributor, Drive: Calais-V: The Calais V is undoubtedly the best looking. Truly world class in its presentation of sports luxury. SS-V In conditions that Noah would welcome the SS-V was poised, responsive, stable, nimble and awesomely quick. It is undoubtedly Australia’s new muscle car King. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Big claims, i can't see why any of them would lie. I guess we will have to wait to get a drive of them. But i think supporters of both the Blue Oval & Holden shoudl be happy that there is great vehicles coming out on both sides. ![]() |
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My 16" spare has 80kms orange sticker on it but thats probally just for legal purposes etc as the stell wheel & the trye is same as XT except ones a 60 series Dunlop & ones 65 series.
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Fair enough. But it looks like they're both great cars now. |
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when does ford next model come out??
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as a motor mechanic i wonder if those lion tamers have found the problem with the vt - vz (especially vz) power steering problems and brake shudder problems and 5 second acceleration delay problems( vz commos) etc etc...we get fleet cars left right and centre at work. when we get a vz come through the doors the first thing we do when it goes up on the hoist is tighten the hose clamps on the power steering hose ( 15cm long r/h side between radiator and motor) because they leak oil there from factory and also tell the drivers to go back to holdon and tell those idiots to change their power steering rack and pump under warranty because they are ****ing out oil!
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WHat is it with Holden and paying for Air Conditioning???
We aren't in 1986 anymore ![]()
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Some things should just come as standard! A Spare Wheel and Aircon comes into that category in my opinion. As if the fleet people are going to purchase a car without air-con and and a spare!
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Good read. BF all the way ftw.
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HSE2 also posted quotes from the drive section in what was a basically a negative point VE thread that contained. "Feature for feature the SS V also has the Falcon pinned to the canvas. Even if you argue the XR8’s six-speed auto is significantly better than the SS V transmission, the L98 V8 has such an even spread of torque and superior power output that it doesn’t matter. And the way an SS V buyer can differentiate their car from lesser SV6 (for more click here) and SS models will make XR8 owners red and orange with envy" Yeah I am one eyed alright. The only real issue I have had with design even Drive comment on it. Straight on the flare guards don’t look that good. So that makes drive one eyed too does it?
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Yes that is for sure. It would be fair to assume that Holden would have built on the strengths they already held, that being the V8 versions. Ford essentially left that product alone with BF and it has shown up so far with the initial drive impressions of VE. It is surely that sort to product that has been receiving unreserved praise. The aspects that involve the floorpan, suspensions interior and steering haven't been a traditional strong suit of the Holden product. If you really want to know where a product sites it is these reviews where the media come out with the knives and proclaim how badly the previous model was. The truth is probably in the middle because right now Drive is ignoring the tremendous gains made of VT to VZ in particular the steering. If there were to be question marks on the VE it would be around the hugely disappointing HFV6 and the retention of the 4 speed auto. Both have been improved but only back to back assessment will see if the traditional Ford advantage in these areas is enough to dilute the quantum leap in chassis dynamics VE have introduced.
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I'm totally baffled how drive can come up with the assumption that the outright performance of VE will be setting benchmarks when clearly, the conditions would prove otherwise. Plenty of wrist action over at drive.
I also struggle to understand how they measured "body tightness" and claim that this and "seating position" is a whole generation ahead. That's an interesting one that's for sure. The other claims are fair and reasonable. |
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On body tightness i really can only think they mean it feels tight? doesn't feel like it might snap in half or something:P You can feel it in older models more the looseness they have they feel like they might bend and twist and as they get older start to creek and moan. But they said the same for the BA over the AU the body stiffness was 20-40% more?.
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Styling wise I dont see how they can claim it is the best looking, that would be a matter of opinion. Also the fact that BA's have been around for 4 years now means that they dont have that initial wow factor anymore. As for most of the 'feel' of the car suspension stiffness, alot of the results could easily be influenced by what they want to feel. They do not mention anything about driving the old cars back to back, so if the reporter stepped out of any older car (over 5-6years old) and into the new car of course it will feel stiffer and tighter.
It will be a fairer comparison when they do back to back tests versus the old model and agains the falcons. |
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When i raced motorcross i used to follow the magazine tests of all the new bikes, the bikes with the most upgrades used to get raved about and ranked highly when they were first released, but more often then not 12 months later after people actually used and lived with them these bikes turned out to be lemons, and their ranking against other models dropped when compared to initial glowing reports..
In a similar way the VE is a new car and initial impressions are important, but im just not sure people can tell the difference between NEW and DIFFERENT to being actually BETTER and IMPROVED after an hour or 2 driving it... again, time will tell!
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Correct, Kawasaki's used to be bagged for having not as much power, slightly worse suspension etc, That year they were the most popular at the local motocross track because of the brutal way they delivered their power compared to the other bikes - they could get a bit more speed before hitting jumps. (not the only reason but a popular one).
Living with the commodore and driving it back to back with the VZ and BA would give better results comparitavely and will highlight the differnces properly. 1 or two days drive will not highlight much because everytime you jump into a car that you are not familiar to it feels different, whether this is perceived to be better can sometimes come down to what you want it to feel. |
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I agree with the person, who said it's not 1986 anymore. IMO I think Holden should've thought a bit more about the VE, since it's a complete new car and not a re-designed Opel and not to continue with the "No standard Air Con on base model Commodores" pattern. In this day in age, new cars need Air Con standard, because of the climate, we live in. |
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But i disagree with back to back testing, I think if you are experienced enough with cars you can form your own opinion of it, I believe you know what you want in the first 30min. I only needed to drive the Territory for 30min to make my opinion up on it, My brother only needed to be a passenger of it to form his own, But the drive sealed the deal.
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The VE better be a whole generation ahead in the way it drives at it IS a whole generation ahead of BF now.
Credit is due for improving the car to a whole new level though, What makes me smile is that despite being a generation behind VE, the BF XR6 is still a better car than the VE SV6. |
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I rarely "believe the hype" and fane-fare around anything new, marketing spin doctors are great at "selling the sizzle", mags love to gush praise to make sure companies keep spending their advertising money with them and because it sell mags.., personally i prefer to sit back, diggest what i read or hear but most importantly let time and real life experience guide me. Unfortunatly you're cellebrating a grandfinal win (in the oppositions changerooms) before the ball has been bounced.....
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Some cars are what they say they are but some are not, Some cars get hammered and are good cars, Some get praise and they are heaps. Mitsub 380... Guy i know thinks it's a great car but can't understand why the public can't get over what ever it is they have against it. Toyota Avalon.. It got praise but to drive it was a lard **** American barge, ABS was sickening, Steering was just all wrong, Suspension was as soft as a baby's bottom, auto's kick down well it didn't, Interior was cheap nasty, Maybe one thing that wasn't bad was it's engine was maybe better then they described it, I felt it revved long and hard and had good mid range power, But the thing overall was a America car soft like they like them. Some are right some are wrong, I'm right there wrong there right I'm wrong?. ![]() But trust me i haven't entered the final series yet ![]()
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