The Stupidity at the scene of the Werribee car smash has reached a new hight.

[EFJay]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Unfortunately Sudszy wont read this thread since it doesn't contain the word 'Speed Camera' in the title. He doesn't care about crashes, just cameras. They are the best tool when it comes to road safety... obviously.



When I first saw this accident I just assumed they were a sensible drive who was unlucky and inexperienced. But since this persons 'mates' are this type of people who do what they did, I can only assume the person killed in the crash was one of these people too. Probably driving stupid and lost control.

If a death of a friend doesn't make these idiots act sensible, no speed camera or fine, no matter how big, will help either.

Taking their right to drive away will...not just for a month or two but for good..and crush their car while they watch. I have zero sympathy for fools...

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Did you expect any more from a bunch of 18 year olds?

A bit harsh I think, when you get a bunch of morons young ones seem to be worse but there are plenty of honest hardworking responsible 18 year olds around. the proplem is when it comes to moronic behaviour the young idiots go further over the top that the older idiots.
generalising does nothing but create ill will

[barra265t]

Originally Posted by Danny

Nuff Said indeed.

It is a sinful scum ridden cesspool of bogans in Black Rapper caps, Damani Dada Wu Tang jackets and addidas trackies. 16 year old mothers with kids to different fathers smoking at the local train station, just a complete craphole. I was BORN there, lived there till I was 8 and these days go there to visit my family frequently, It's definitely not the place I'd want to bring up a kid, There's a very high concentration of the WORST of bogan stereotypes.

VR/VS commodores with burnout rims playing Snoop Dogg with that Red mud that all werribee cars seem to sport strewn over the paint... Fat, peroxide blonde "princesses" with white arnette sunnies driving silver hyundai excels with rooted rear shocks pink playboy bunny stickers and a baby in the back fags hangin outta their mouth.. What is wrong with these kids? This story just saddens me, so so much.

You've described it to the T. Not too long ago, the story of some Werribee scum gang raping an intellectually disabled girl, filming it, and selling it off for $5 a copy, and then were basically let off by the courts scot free, gives an idea of just what kind of scum are born and raised in that sewerage dump of a society.

[MAGPIE]

You lot haven't learnt a thing....

you can't judge these people until you know all the facts, they might be innocent.



Talk about a dart throwing lynch mob.

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by Danny

Nuff Said indeed.

It is a sinful scum ridden cesspool of bogans in Black Rapper caps, Damani Dada Wu Tang jackets and addidas trackies. 16 year old mothers with kids to different fathers smoking at the local train station, just a complete craphole. I was BORN there, lived there till I was 8 and these days go there to visit my family frequently, It's definitely not the place I'd want to bring up a kid, There's a very high concentration of the WORST of bogan stereotypes.

VR/VS commodores with burnout rims playing Snoop Dogg with that Red mud that all werribee cars seem to sport strewn over the paint... Fat, peroxide blonde "princesses" with white arnette sunnies driving silver hyundai excels with rooted rear shocks pink playboy bunny stickers and a baby in the back fags hangin outta their mouth.. What is wrong with these kids? This story just saddens me, so so much.

Almost thought i was back in Shepparton again...........

[EFJay]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

You lot haven't learnt a thing....

you can't judge these people until you know all the facts, they might be innocent.



Talk about a dart throwing lynch mob.

From the actions of their mates and from the pics of the sene and damage on the car i think its a fair call that these idiots were stuffing around.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by ginger

From the actions of their mates and from the pics of the sene and damage on the car i think its a fair call that these idiots were stuffing around.

Did you feel the downdraft as my post flew right over your head

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

You can not help some people, but a lot of times the problem seems to be self correcting, just feel sorry for the innocent ones that get caught up along the way

[chrisfpv]

Has it been confirmed that this crash was the cause of an accident or driver ignorance/stupidy yet..?

My first impressions are that this is just another replay of the Blue XR6 fiasco we had a year or two ago, idiot driver thinking he is untouchable acting like a hero in front of a group of mates and it all turns up **** creek when his ignorance catches up with him.

And burnouts left at the scene over night by friends assuming? Strengthens my opinion of what kind of person the driver (and quite possibly the passengers were) was.
I have absolutely no sympathy if this was the case. None at all.

BUT...

If this turns out to be a misjudge of road due to inexperience (I'm not familiar with this road at all) and it's all an unfortunate accident then it's a tragedy.

[Teza_XR8ute]

Originally Posted by barra265t

You've described it to the T. Not too long ago, the story of some Werribee scum gang raping an intellectually disabled girl, filming it, and selling it off for $5 a copy, and then were basically let off by the courts scot free, gives an idea of just what kind of scum are born and raised in that sewerage dump of a society.

dead set, your a complete *** wit champ!
Guess you hate werribee?
or were you brought up there and "got out before it got bad"??

wow, werribee hits the head lines twice in a few years and its a "hole" built ontop of YOUR ****? so not only do you have it in for werribee, your **** also does not stink?

i was at this accident, actually thought the car was a sedan, not a wagon. not a nice thing to see.

i have seen worse in my line of work. but although this did happen in werribee, and the friends were what YOU would call 'scum" they are still humans. they lost a friend/friends. The girl was from Warnambool. what if these kids were from your town and it happened in werribee, does that still make it a "hole"?

dont get me wrong, i dont agree with what the friends were doing one little bit, but dont go laying blame on the town champ. blame it on the stupid driver. 2 innocent lives lost. oh wait, it was WERRIBEE that done it! werribee and all its ferals.

grow up and look at the big picture, WERRIBEE didnt kill these kids, nor the road, nor the kids in the back seat, it was the driver that was doing 180kms in a car that was not even road worthy.

[jamesson1980]

It seems harsh to say so soon after such a tragedy but this sorta stuff is what Darwin used to crap on about. It happens in towns all over Australia and also in the inner city areas too. You certainly can't label particular towns as being prone to these incidents because it's too widespread.. nor can you blame 18 or 19 yr olds, because there's people aged 15 right thru to 40 who do this. What does seems to be consistant however, is the mindset of the offenders/victims.. the arrogant, over-confident, bulletproof, alcohol soaked and possible drug affected ego of the self proclaimed high skilled driver. And as confirmation, the tribute left by the others in the group who's lives were spared THIS TIME rings very true of the mentality of the occupants of this ill fated Commodore.

edit: ..and furthermore, the 'tribute' left by the friends can be very indicative of things that were important to the deceased. If someone dies in a road ACCIDENT whilst one their way home from work, there's likely to be things left by family and friends that are fit for the victim eg, flowers, photos, maybe a stuffed toy, favourite clothing or other personal affect left at the crash site.

When someone dies in an act of high speed driving dickery, the victim's friends always seem to litter the site with things they see to be important which is generally grog cans, explicit tribute notes 'douggy you were a f**in' legend, ****** we'll miss ya mate, lay some black straps at the gates of heaven for us champ!' and in this case even donuts at the scene.

These skid marks in Werribee speak volumes I think

[Ford_The_Win]

Originally Posted by jamesson1980

It seems harsh to say so soon after such a tragedy but this sorta stuff is what Darwin used to crap on about. It happens in towns all over Australia and also in the inner city areas too. You certainly can't label particular towns as being prone to these incidents because it's too widespread.. nor can you blame 18 or 19 yr olds, because there's people aged 15 right thru to 40 who do this. What does seems to be consistant however, is the mindset of the offenders/victims.. the arrogant, over-confident, bulletproof, alcohol soaked and possible drug affected ego of the self proclaimed high skilled driver. And as confirmation, the tribute left by the others in the group who's lives were spared THIS TIME rings very true of the mentality of the occupants of this ill fated Commodore.

You're absolutely right. I've said it before and I'll say it again, stereotypes wouldn't exist if they weren't mostly true. If people didn't experience stereotypes in action, they wouldn't be perpetuated and believed by the populace. If there weren't a lot of lower class bogans tearing up the streets in Commodores, the stereotype wouldn't exist.

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by Ford_The_Win

You're absolutely right. I've said it before and I'll say it again, stereotypes wouldn't exist if they weren't mostly true. If people didn't experience stereotypes in action, they wouldn't be perpetuated and believed by the populace. If there weren't a lot of lower class bogans tearing up the streets in Commodores, the stereotype wouldn't exist.

It's not just Commodores, or even Holden's for that matter...I've seen plenty of tools floating about in Fords, Lancers, and even Excels...

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

It's not just Commodores, or even Holden's for that matter...I've seen plenty of tools floating about in Fords, Lancers, and even Excels...

True, but the ones usually wrapped around power poles are commodores.

Just something I have noticed.


Some will say it's always commodores because they are so popular. Well maybe.

[Belial]

Originally Posted by Danny

Nuff Said indeed.

It is a sinful scum ridden cesspool of bogans in Black Rapper caps, Damani Dada Wu Tang jackets and addidas trackies. 16 year old mothers with kids to different fathers smoking at the local train station, just a complete craphole. I was BORN there, lived there till I was 8 and these days go there to visit my family frequently, It's definitely not the place I'd want to bring up a kid, There's a very high concentration of the WORST of bogan stereotypes.

VR/VS commodores with burnout rims playing Snoop Dogg with that Red mud that all werribee cars seem to sport strewn over the paint... Fat, peroxide blonde "princesses" with white arnette sunnies driving silver hyundai excels with rooted rear shocks pink playboy bunny stickers and a baby in the back fags hangin outta their mouth.. What is wrong with these kids? This story just saddens me, so so much.

Funny as whilst I was reading this post, I heard what sounded like the old ecotec V6 fly down past behind my house.
It's almost 3am Tuesday Morning and wait for it..... I'm in Tarneit.
Over my back fence is Hoppers Crossing.

[The Outsider]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

You lot haven't learnt a thing....

you can't judge these people until you know all the facts, they might be innocent.



Talk about a dart throwing lynch mob.

a lonely voice of reason.

everyone here that has said what a stupid act has been commited had better have a real good hard look at themselves.


what do you honestly see?

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by ginger

bunch of oxygen thieves...

Funny you should say that, because there was a bloke in another thread about this subject who used the same words to describe the driver of this car and had a few people return fire with comments like "show some respect" etc, etc. Where are they now?

Originally Posted by jpd80

I fear the cycle is about to repeat with no lesson learned, how sad......

Yep, that I’d say is a sure bet.

Originally Posted by Danny

It is a sinful scum ridden cesspool of bogans in Black Rapper caps, Damani Dada Wu Tang jackets and addidas trackies. 16 year old mothers with kids to different fathers smoking at the local train station, just a complete craphole. I was BORN there, lived there till I was 8 and these days go there to visit my family frequently, It's definitely not the place I'd want to bring up a kid, There's a very high concentration of the WORST of bogan stereotypes.

Interesting point of view. I moved out of the area eleven years ago, in fact, I lived not far from where this happened and can quite happily say that I don’t miss the place.

I still wonder why a mother would let her 15 year old daughter cruise around with some 22 year old loser in a car?

Originally Posted by Herald Sun

Aleshia's mother, Kelly, said her daughter had hundreds of friends from Warrnambool to Werribee and liked to visit them.

"She had so many friends, she knew everybody," Ms Syme said.

"She knew what she wanted to do in life."

Aleshia left school in year 8, but always knew she wanted to help people later on in life, Ms Syme said.

Well, the same mother who’d let her daughter leave school in year eight.

Originally Posted by ginger

Taking their right to drive away will...not just for a month or two but for good.

Doesn’t work. Morons with this type of attitude / mentality will just drive unlicensed. Cuddles in the big house might fix the attitude.

Originally Posted by 8-WORKN

If this turns out to be a misjudge of road due to inexperience (I'm not familiar with this road at all) and it's all an unfortunate accident then it's a tragedy.

When all of this unfolds and the very lucky lady who was riding her pushbike and was nearly hit by this clown has her say, you can make up your own mind.

Originally Posted by Ben73

... but the ones usually wrapped around power poles are Commodores.

I think we need a new law to stop power poles from jumping out in front of cars on straight stretches of road.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by The Outsider

a lonely voice of reason.

everyone here that has said what a stupid act has been commited had better have a real good hard look at themselves.


what do you honestly see?

Sorry no... you just missed my sarcasm

Have a good read of the related thread

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Funny you should say that, because there was a bloke in another thread about this subject who used the same words to describe the driver of this car and had a few people return fire with comments like "show some respect" etc, etc. Where are they now?

Yep, that I’d say is a sure bet.Interesting point of view. I moved out of the area eleven years ago, in fact, I lived not far from where this happened and can quite happily say that I don’t miss the place.

I still wonder why a mother would let her 15 year old daughter cruise around with some 22 year old loser in a car?Well, the same mother who’d let her daughter leave school in year eight.

Doesn’t work. Morons with this type of attitude / mentality will just drive unlicensed. Cuddles in the big house might fix the attitude.When all of this unfolds and the very lucky lady who was riding her pushbike and was nearly hit by this clown has her say, you can make up your own mind.I think we need a new law to stop power poles from jumping out in front of cars on straight stretches of road.

Bang on FullNoise

Bang on.

Oh and Belial. Tarneit!! I had a schoolteacher Die in Tarneit Rd when I was in Grade three at Corpus Christi Primary. He was speeding down Tarneit Rd in his Pulsar Turbo and hit a tree at somewhere near 170km/h... He was about 24 or so at the time. Blood tragic, my first experience of the finality of Death, at the tender age of 7.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I think we need a new law to stop power poles from jumping out in front of cars on straight stretches of road.

Nah they can just tax it.

Seams to be the current approach to road safety.
Mobile speed cameras are nothing but an extra tax. Good money maker

[The Outsider]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Sorry no... you just missed my sarcasm

Have a good read of the related thread

my bad, guess im the only one then


if every single person that has responded here has never gone over the limit or raced from the lights or has never performed a bit of a burnout on a public road then ill eat my hat.

only difference is you where obviously luckier than this guy and managed to get away unscathed.

we where all young once and some where a bit sillier than others. some of us have even gone on to become better and more responsible road users.
obviously this guy will never have that chance now.

im well aware that not all car enthusiasts are like this nor am i making excuses for this kind of behaviour.



on the subject of guys doing burnouts at the scene of brocks accident, i couldnt think of a more appropriate tribute. your kidding yourself if you think brocky wouldnt have dropped a few skids in his younger days

not looking to get into an argument over my opinions regarding this matter. you have all had your say and so have i now.

stay safe and look out for your fellow road users

[Venomous1]

If I was there I'd do a burnout too.







Don't ban me!

[TheInterceptor]

Originally Posted by Venomous1

If I was there I'd do a burnout too.







Don't ban me!

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by The Outsider

on the subject of guys doing burnouts at the scene of brocks accident, i couldnt think of a more appropriate tribute. your kidding yourself if you think brocky wouldnt have dropped a few skids in his younger days

not looking to get into an argument over my opinions regarding this matter. you have all had your say and so have i now.

Its all good mate, i wont argue with you as i already know your wrong.

To say PB would have appreciated this type of 'tribute' is laughable.
The man was a safe driving advocate and wore the 05 number on his race cars to help drive home the .05 message and the safe use of a motor car, he did his thing on the track where it should be done.

The only appropriate tribute given to the great man were the words of Allan Moffat at his funeral and the look on Lowndesys face on the podium at Bathurst that year, the rest is all **** factor from a handful of wannabee's, much like the people discussed in this thread.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by Wretched

bogan mentality at its finest.

Yep. Its quite common behaviour, sometimes its simply other crash scene-related 'dumb' behaviour; such as people who stop at the crash scene, even hours later and leave their own car/s 'parked' part_way_out on the road in the dark - without lights, and then mill around with similarly dumb and numbed teens.

Hundreds of examples and zillions of dumb, unthinking behaviour examples by peers 'paying respect' at crash scenes.

Kids and some parents don't take driving seriously, the state does or tries too, at least.

When teaching teens, I make them wear safety vests, teach - that having one in their own car is appropriate, then I make them fold it up and stow. I teach them to use hazard lights appropriately, place and set the triangle etc. I make them 'use that gear', and also to watch closing traffic, and 'why' in regards closing speed and the potential of distraction.

[RedHotGT]

Until the young realise they are not invincible, and accept that their driving skills are poor... you will see this kind of accident happen time and time again (as proven by the numerous previous examples... not to mention the 2 almost identical accidents in Werribee and Crib Point in the past couple of days)...

I just hope that it's not my car/house/family that they plow into next... and I hope that I can teach my kids the kind of values that will hopefully reduce the likelyhood of them hoping in the car with a hoon mate and wiping themselves out...

[Ducati888]

Originally Posted by Danny

Nuff Said indeed.

It is a sinful scum ridden cesspool of bogans in Black Rapper caps, Damani Dada Wu Tang jackets and addidas trackies. 16 year old mothers with kids to different fathers smoking at the local train station, just a complete craphole. I was BORN there, lived there till I was 8 and these days go there to visit my family frequently, It's definitely not the place I'd want to bring up a kid, There's a very high concentration of the WORST of bogan stereotypes.

VR/VS commodores with burnout rims playing Snoop Dogg with that Red mud that all werribee cars seem to sport strewn over the paint... Fat, peroxide blonde "princesses" with white arnette sunnies driving silver hyundai excels with rooted rear shocks pink playboy bunny stickers and a baby in the back fags hangin outta their mouth.. What is wrong with these kids? This story just saddens me, so so much.
.

Yeah, I have to say I agree with Danny on this one. I lived there until I was 7, moved away to Lara but still went to school in Werribee until I finished VCE. Socialised there until I was about 24 because my mates were there. All but one of them escaped the place shortly after.

It's a stinking shithole of a place without any redeeming features whatsoever. If I haven't been there in the course of a year, then its been a good year.

The best thing about Werribee is watching it get smaller in your rearview mirror.

[Zero_PSI]

Originally Posted by barra265t

You've described it to the T. Not too long ago, the story of some Werribee scum gang raping an intellectually disabled girl, filming it, and selling it off for $5 a copy, and then were basically let off by the courts scot free, gives an idea of just what kind of scum are born and raised in that sewerage dump of a society.

What upsets me the most is that these guys havent had the **** kicked out of them over it. It makes me so angry to see their attitudes that given half the chance i could put them in comas

[EFJay]

Originally Posted by The Outsider

on the subject of guys doing burnouts at the scene of brocks accident, i couldnt think of a more appropriate tribute. your kidding yourself if you think brocky wouldnt have dropped a few skids in his younger days

not looking to get into an argument over my opinions regarding this matter. you have all had your say and so have i now.

stay safe and look out for your fellow road users

you tool....

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Did you expect any more from a bunch of 18 year olds?

Agreed, this is the mentality and it will not change, even after the death of a loved one.

Nothing is being seriously done about it. So nothing will ever change.