Mobile Phone Fines

[olfella]

I see the NRMA is lobbying for an increase in the number of points because a lot of people are being caught out by what they refer to as technology advancement in motoring. And how many more points would we get?? One extra...

[Ben73]

You said she was just checking for messages, but not using it. If she did happen to have a message would she have started using it?

Surely I'm not the only one sick of beeping people most days because they have their head buried in their phone at the lights.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by olfella

Wonder how he goes trying to explain the 'plopping, splash ' noises...

''I was just giving birth to Collingwood and Richmond supporters''

[Trump]

Originally Posted by xxx000

and if they're one up like HWP during the day?

or if the message or info is for the driver not the offsider?

They can install hands-free kits or heaven forbid, use the built-in Bluetooth connectivity for when they're one-up. And I'm pretty sure the offsider would be smart enough to relay said message to the driver or advise the caller that he or she is driving. Are you serious? Do you really think they have some special training which removes the risk they pose to themselves and other roads users if using a phone???

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by supershifty

TER2BO, I feel for your daughters harsh penalty, the penalty is there for a very good reason though.

Like the one that ran into the back of you whilst she was texting...........and it was your fault

[olfella]

Originally Posted by xxx000

and if they're one up like HWP during the day?

or if the message or info is for the driver not the offsider?

If you read all the posts in this thread then you would not need to say anything. Look at post #13 - it says it all

[wodahs]

my hands free came with the stereo unit (alpine) for $249 with heaps of other options and it will tell me I have a text and ask if I want to ignore it or have it read to me if I have it read it then gives me the option to reply by having the sender of the text called

my previous unit a blackberry (that the alpine replaced) actually did voice to text so asked if I wanted to reply what I said in reply was sent as text was bout the same price as the alpine and cheaper than a fine

[MR REKLAW]

Originally Posted by xxx000

and if they're one up like HWP during the day?

or if the message or info is for the driver not the offsider?

Well if they are one up,all relevant info is sent to smart screen,mounted in said vehicle,no need for mobile phone.

Inquiry made over radio,info sent to screen,but that does require,taking eyes of road,so still not perfect.

I believe some electronics mob,have built a heads up device for,mobile phones.

No you don't have to touch the phone,but you still have to divert your attention,to look at display, the only time,this type of tech is ok,is if your a fighter pilot,locking on to enemy target, not driving a vehicle on a busy road,fighter pilots don't have to bother about changing lanes or on ramp traffic,you the driver of the car do.

It is quite simple,if you don't own a business,turn the bloody phone off,before driving off,or if it is that you need be contacted 24/7,then buy a hands free kit.

405 dollar fine,would buy a top end,hands free kit.

I don't see the logic, in owning a $800+ dollar phone and being tight fisted enough,not to get hands free kit.

Some people just have to learn the hard way,usually at some one else's expense.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

You must spend a helluva lot of time on the crapper then

Originally Posted by marty351

Hope you're not flushing your business down the dunny?

Originally Posted by olfella

Wonder how he goes trying to explain the 'plopping, splash ' noises...

I got 7 minutes into a conversation with a supplier trying to order parts before I got busted.

Another time had a successful 18 minute phone conversation with someone while on the crapper and they didn't even know, so far thats the record

I'm always down for a chat, anywhere anytime

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I'm always down for a chat, anywhere anytime

are you snapchat...ting

or do we change it now to crapchat ??

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by csv8

You can be parked in a shopping center carpark use phone get fined !! Why ? Shopping Centre car parks are classified as roadways!!! That's blatant revenue raising. On a road ok but carpark??? New Kuga has pinch swipe technology can it be used?????? This law renders that tech useless.

Yes they are, but if you're in a parking space, stationary, you're parked-no dramas.

1) The driver of a vehicle (except an emergency vehicle or police vehicle) must not use a mobile phone while the vehicle is moving, or is stationary but not parked, unless the driver is exempt from this rule under another law of this jurisdiction

[Feathers]

I just ask Siri to read my texts to me via bluetooth.

Sometimes she actually understands my command!

[NTF6]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

Its all there in black and white. She was USING the phone. Its not up to the cops to argue the degree of the offence, the law was broken-If you want to argue, take it to court and loose.

300—Use of mobile phones
(1) The driver of a vehicle (except an emergency vehicle or police vehicle) must not use a mobile phone while the vehicle is moving, or is stationary but not parked, unless the driver is exempt from this rule under another law of this jurisdiction

use, in relation to a mobile phone, includes the following:
(a) holding the phone to, or near, the ear (whether or not engaged in a phone call);
(b) creating, sending or looking at a text or video message on the phone;
(c) turning the phone on or off;
(d) operating any other function of the phone.

Cops here need to enforce it more, I see at least 10 tradies, soccer mums, teenage girls and and others every single day, at intersections, stop lights, stop signs and on the road on their phones.

[Linkachu]

I've heard of people being pulled over on the side of the road taking a phone call and still getting charged.
Even with the car in park apparently that is not good enough. Car has to not have keys in the ignition now for you to take a call.

[SYZ]

My Daughter just got fined $405 and 6 demerit points [...]

Interesting. The VicRoads site says "the penalties are 4 demerit points and a $455 fine". If I were her, I'd be lodging an appeal against the 6 points.

My concern with the mobile phone laws is that police are exempt from them.

I would've thought that this would stand to reason for emergency vehicles, which are all legally exempted. Nobody can seriously expect that police, firefighters or ambulances should be uncontactable by mobile phone when attending an emergency.

That's [taking calls] is what the offsider in the passenger seat is for.

Except that there's not always an "offsider" in a police vehicle.

Do you really think they have some special training which removes the risk they pose to themselves and other roads users if using a phone?

Yes. Police have special training in all aspects of the job. That's why they can safely drive along a 60km/h road at 100km/h whereas you can't.

Well if they are one up, all relevant info is sent to smart screen, mounted in said vehicle, no need for mobile phone.

Not necessarily the case in rural areas. If I want to phone the local duty cop I'll call him/her on their mobile phone and not waste everybody's time calling 000.

I've heard of people being pulled over on the side of the road taking a phone call and still getting charged.

Citation necessary. Hearsay is not evidence.

(These are intended as generic responses and not directed specifically at any particular forum member.)

[Road Games]

I was on the M1 carpark this morning trundling along eating my weetbix, filling in my log book and having a shave while steering with my knees at 20kph

No way in hell i was gonna touch my phone and cop a fine !!

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by SYZ

Interesting. The VicRoads site says "the penalties are 4 demerit points and a $455 fine". If I were her, I'd be lodging an appeal against the 6 points.

I would've thought that this would stand to reason for emergency vehicles, which are all legally exempted. Nobody can seriously expect that police, firefighters or ambulances should be uncontactable by mobile phone when attending an emergency.

Except that there's not always an "offsider" in a police vehicle.

Yes. Police have special training in all aspects of the job. That's why they can safely drive along a 60km/h road at 100km/h whereas you can't.

Not necessarily the case in rural areas. If I want to phone the local duty cop I'll call him/her on their mobile phone and not waste everybody's time calling 000.

Citation necessary. Hearsay is not evidence.

(These are intended as generic responses and not directed specifically at any particular forum member.)

That's it. I've had enough of your comments.

Far too many make sense and we don't like that round here

[SYZ]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

That's it. I've had enough of your comments.

Far too many make sense and we don't like that round here

My sincere apologies! How can I make it up to you blokes?

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

Some important phone calls would be taken by the police. Not everything can go over the radio

Originally Posted by xxx000

and if they're one up like HWP during the day?

or if the message or info is for the driver not the offsider?

so why is police work deemed important enough for a freebie and not other occupations?

I know plenty of people who do more meaningful work that helps people, society, and the economy more than a cop, so where is their exemption?

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by Shonky.

so why is police work deemed important enough for a freebie and not other occupations?

I know plenty of people who do more meaningful work that helps people, society, and the economy more than a cop, so where is their exemption?

the same reason you call the police for crimes about to happen or have happened and not your supermarket checkout chick!

some people want cops to have no powers, normally they are the ones who do things that has cops knowing them by name.

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by SYZ

My sincere apologies! How can I make it up to you blokes?

a carton for every member

[CyberWasp]

We need to go back to the days where you were lucky if you had an AM Radio to distract you in the car, and to make a call, you had to pull over and find a pay phone.

[Blue Shadow]

Before mobile phone laws you would be breached under a traffic law called "not in full control of a motor vehicle" so if you were changing the chanel on your transistor you could be booked. Several years ago it added mobile specific amendements, so if the vehicle was parked on public property or private throughfare i.e. shopping centre carpark, with the keys in the ignition you could be ticketed. Same extensiom applys to PCA/DUI. Even with hands free i think your not in full control.

[ratter]

So where does some one stand if for example the have FG MK2 and they are not touching their phone at all but dialling a number through the touch screen function of the car?

[Rodp]

If you even think about touching your phone in NSW, plod will swipe right every time. A few colleagues have been caught at lights in the city by undercovers that will walk around vehicles to make sure the phone is left alone, even while stationary at a red.

That's my dilemma. In the wonderful world of metrics, I *must* respond to a new job within 10 minutes - once you remove the 9 or so minutes that have been already taken up 'by the machine', I have one minute to respond to a new job. Which makes it virtually impossible if I'm driving (which occupies half of my day).

If I'm running late to a job? On a carpar.. err, I mean motorway - no place to pull over. I had to touch the phone to dial out on my hokey car bluetooth from our app, impossible if I then had to dial additional numbers after dialling the phone number. Might be a little different with SYNC2, hopefully.

Surprised by the 6 points but mobile phone usage is one of those offences that rarely gets a warning.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by ratter

So where does some one stand if for example the have FG MK2 and they are not touching their phone at all but dialling a number through the touch screen function of the car?

That's what they call grey and open to interpretation.

[csv8]

Originally Posted by ratter

So where does some one stand if for example the have FG MK2 and they are not touching their phone at all but dialling a number through the touch screen function of the car?

same with new KUGA, that has touch swipe technology screen..

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by Rodp

If you even think about touching your phone in NSW, plod will swipe right every time. A few colleagues have been caught at lights in the city by undercovers that will walk around vehicles to make sure the phone is left alone, even while stationary at a red.



That's my dilemma. In the wonderful world of metrics, I *must* respond to a new job within 10 minutes - once you remove the 9 or so minutes that have been already taken up 'by the machine', I have one minute to respond to a new job. Which makes it virtually impossible if I'm driving (which occupies half of my day).



If I'm running late to a job? On a carpar.. err, I mean motorway - no place to pull over. I had to touch the phone to dial out on my hokey car bluetooth from our app, impossible if I then had to dial additional numbers after dialling the phone number. Might be a little different with SYNC2, hopefully.



Surprised by the 6 points but mobile phone usage is one of those offences that rarely gets a warning.

It's ok as long as it's in a cradle.

[Blue Shadow]

Originally Posted by ratter

So where does some one stand if for example the have FG MK2 and they are not touching their phone at all but dialling a number through the touch screen function of the car?

Not sure, ive been out of the job for a few years knownow, but reading the act i would say you may get a ticket. You need to that common law traffict act is a regulated law not set on presedent you can take it to court but your not testing the law only the individual case. But im not sure. I was never in the HWP so traffic is not my strong suit.

[kaniSS]

I still don't understand why people can not just press one button and speak to the person calling, they always have to touch their phones.

Fine away I say.