Should Electric Vehicles be Banned?

[block58]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

If you don't think silent electric cars are going to have to emit some sort of identifiable noise in the future, you are kidding yourself.
Just wait until a blind person walks in front on one and gets hit.

How's this? (start 27:33) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvsn...outu.be&t=1653

[Falcon SXR8]

Wait until our couple electric car gurus who reside here see this thread. You have a barrage of links to pro electric vehicle articles coming your way buddy

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Never said they should be banned, just something that needs to be considered.
Accommodations are made for the disadvantaged everywhere, for example every new business has to be wheelchair accessible, and have wheelchair parking.

If you don't think silent electric cars are going to have to emit some sort of identifiable noise in the future, you are kidding yourself.
Just wait until a blind person walks in front on one and gets hit.

if cars were silent from when they were first developed would we even have this conversation?
We adapt and will continue to.
I seriously doubt that electric cars will ever be forced to emit a noise. There are already some very quiet ICE cars.
I think you're clutching at straws

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

An electric truck driven by a robot that builds stone walls would be nice, thanks, then I can lay back and watch the money roll in......

You’ll be promoting walls of self laying recycled composite blocks that absorb carbon, while generating electricity and oxygen. Yet look exactly like the stone of that area.

[marty351]

A Jericho siren would easily identity the presence of an EV. Soon clear the streets as well.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

The issue that no one ever mentions I how are vision impaired pedestrians going to be able to cope with all these near silent electric cars getting about?
Sure the ones with guide dogs will be ok, but that's only a small percentage.

[jpd80]

If we consider that the majority of our population lives in our capital cities and smaller cities and towns around the costal edge of our country, then it makes sense for a lot of them to drive electric vehicles to improve pollution clusters where they normally form. That does not mean the rest of the folks in the bush have to follow suit, quite the opposite in fact. We just need to be smarter with our policies and who really needs to do what.

[dunga]

Originally Posted by hayseed

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Ironic thing about that is it's probably an electric car some of those very early cars were battery powered

[xxx000]

In answer to the thread starters original question; Should electric vehicles be banned?

No, of course not, it's clearly the way of the future and I think even hardcore haters are beginning to see the inevitable.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by dunga

Ironic thing about that is it's probably an electric car some of those very early cars were battery powered

Looks like the earliest benzine powered type of car; Renault and De Dion built vehicles of such styling.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by xxx000

if cars were silent from when they were first developed would we even have this conversation?
We adapt and will continue to.
I seriously doubt that electric cars will ever be forced to emit a noise. There are already some very quiet ICE cars.
I think you're clutching at straws

Makes no difference to people walking around with headphones in their ears and that's been happening since the 80's
theirs some pretty quiet petrol cars too

[dunga]

I dont think most people on this forum hate electric cars I for 1 see they have a future but I dont see it happening as soon as others think it will I usually base my opinions on facts not feelings the logistics of introducing such a new transport system is almost impossible in the time frame some might suggest..

[smoo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I could totally do with a self driving car today. Another 40 minutes sleep on the way to work would be great.



An electric truck driven by a robot that builds stone walls would be nice, thanks, then I can lay back and watch the money roll in......

Would give me more time to work on the smoking, dirty oily 2 stoke diesel Louisville.

Don’t feel too guilty. There’s probably a lot of those old 2 strokes across African, Asian, South American countries servicing the industries used to plunder the earths resources for EV production.
Don’t tell that to wealthy western ‘environmentalists’ who feel smug for dropping near or over 6 figures on an EV though.

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I could totally do with a self driving car today. Another 40 minutes sleep on the way to work would be great.

As long as you still have a head attached to your neck and shoulders once you arrive there....

[Bossxr8]

Should we ban them? No.

But anyone who buys one and thinks they are saving the environment by doing so is a brainwashed moron. Production of EV vehicles is significantly more polluting than that of a regular car, and if the electricity source used to recharge it comes from coal then it's doing even more sweet FA for the environment. While also putting extra load on our ridiculously under capacity power plants. Coming black outs are a certainty in the future. The Vic government allowing the coal powered plant to be closed, and thus relying on importing electricity from other states was idiotic without the resources to replace it's output. Once we have a heatwave across the country it's lights out. 100% this will happen. Just a matter of time.

[dunga]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Should we ban them? No.

But anyone who buys one and thinks they are saving the environment by doing so is a brainwashed moron. Production of EV vehicles is significantly more polluting than that of a regular car, and if the electricity source used to recharge it comes from coal then it's doing even more sweet FA for the environment. While also putting extra load on our ridiculously under capacity power plants. Coming black outs are a certainty in the future. The Vic government allowing the coal powered plant to be closed, and thus relying on importing electricity from other states was idiotic without the resources to replace it's output. Once we have a heatwave across the country it's lights out. 100% this will happen. Just a matter of time.

Yes us petrol lovers will be able to drive around in our pollution spewing fossil burners in glorious airconditioning while electric car owners will have to melt and wait for the wind to blow or the sun to shine long live ice power

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by dunga

Yes us petrol lovers will be able to drive around in our pollution spewing fossil burners in glorious airconditioning while electric car owners will have to melt and wait for the wind to blow or the sun to shine long live ice power

Electric cars don't have A/C?

[roKWiz]

Why not go the whole hog and ban all cars. AU Falcons exempt as they are classified as mobile works of art.

[five 7]

Originally Posted by dunga

It will all sort itself out as soon as they start taxing them for road levies as per every liter of petrol you buy they will not stack up economocally as for the demise of petrol I see new service stations being built but none closing in my area.

This guy gets it, revenue will have to come from somewhere. We (NZ) have diesel Kms (road tax) which we have to buy going off speedo mileage when running a light diesel vehicle, heavy trucks run a hubometer. Ev charge points are free in Auckland for now. (general public subsidising them) Also does AU have a surplus of electricity to cope with what will be a extra demand on power grid, plus is Govt future proofing power generation. New gas stations are popping up everywhere over here as well. But no don't think they need banning, just don't think they are the complete answer.

[dunga]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Electric cars don't have A/C?

Yes they do only thing is you need power to charge the car

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by dunga

Yes they do only thing is you need power to charge the car

Like A/C in your home, office and other such buildings?

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Like A/C in your home, office and other such buildings?

I think hes suggesting in a Blackout due to hot weather you can still drive around in your ICE car with the aircon on.

[dunga]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Like A/C in your home, office and other such buildings?

You missed my point you can at least go for a drive to keep cool you can't in an ev without electricity

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Should we ban them? No.

But anyone who buys one and thinks they are saving the environment by doing so is a brainwashed moron. Production of EV vehicles is significantly more polluting than that of a regular car, and if the electricity source used to recharge it comes from coal then it's doing even more sweet FA for the environment. While also putting extra load on our ridiculously under capacity power plants. Coming black outs are a certainty in the future. The Vic government allowing the coal powered plant to be closed, and thus relying on importing electricity from other states was idiotic without the resources to replace it's output. Once we have a heatwave across the country it's lights out. 100% this will happen. Just a matter of time.

And these blackouts you predict will somehow be the fault of EV's or is that getting all mixed up into your politics?


any proof of your other claims too? or is it just a rant?

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by xxx000

And these blackouts you predict will somehow be the fault of EV's or is that getting all mixed up into your politics?


any proof of your other claims too? or is it just a rant?

Not sure what you are reading but he never made such a claim.

But EV's will require power to run at the moment - most of ours comes from Coal.

[XRtowcar]

I like electric cars. As long as I can go from 0-100kmh in 3 seconds.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I think hes suggesting in a Blackout due to hot weather you can still drive around in your ICE car with the aircon on.

Until you run out of petrol and need an electric bowser to fill your car up.

[five 7]

Originally Posted by xxx000

And these blackouts you predict will somehow be the fault of EV's or is that getting all mixed up into your politics?


any proof of your other claims too? or is it just a rant?

Due to a cable fault in 1998 (no other reason) Auckland was blacked out for around 5 weeks, blackouts happen. With a ice car you can refill jerry can, not sure how you would get on with a ev. Ice generator maybe

[xxx000]

and I can recall numerous fuel strikes that caused shortages in Sydney. Cars queued for blocks in Sydney at limited servos that were allowed to be open trying to get precious fuel.

[whynot]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

It just shows the stupidity of many "Greenies" that they tout Electric Vehicles as being clean and good for the environment.

In short, no, EV should not be banned.

And, yes, nearly every Greenie is a stupid, self-centred hypocrite.

But, why are we afraid of EV technology? I leased an Outlander PHEV from 2014 to 2017. Except for the cost, it was a well sorted out vehicle. Below are some of the advantages;

1. A round trip from home to work and back home was 40km. I could do this in pure EV mode for around 10 kWh of electricity. At the time, my piddly 1.5 kW solar PV system – eight small panels installed in 2010 - was generating enough electricity to completely offset the electricity used.

2. A more typical 2019 6.6kW solar PV home system can generate around 45kWh per day, which is around 160km of daily driving. Further, some of the solar PV limits have been lifted, and it is possible to install systems up to 10kW with export limits.

3. A bread and butter Ford Ranger costs around $55K on the road. A Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is also around $55K on the road (different applications to be sure).

4. From a driver’s perspective, what I appreciated the most about the EV is how smooth and quite it is. Sure, it does not stir the blood like a thumping V8. But, when coming home from work after a crappy day, sitting in peak our traffic on a hot summer’s afternoon, I will take an EV any day.

5. Stop thinking of it as you being forced into an EV, and expand your thinking to other applications. For example, I would really appreciate the garbage truck being converted to EV. Particularly as it revs up and down the local streets at 5AM. Ditto for anyone who lives near a main road and has to put up with the noise of diesel trucks running up and down through the gears. EV trucks will be much quieter.

6. If you live near main roads, the conversion to EV will significantly reduce your exposure to vehicle pollution, and the inside of your house will end up much cleaner.

7. EV batteries can be recycled. Already, there is a second hand market for EV batteries being reused as storage batteries for home. And while it is more expensive to recycle the batteries than mining the raw materials, they can be recycled (see CSIRO report into lithium battery recycling).

I, for one, cannot wait to get back into a low-cost EV. But I will not be doing it to save the planet. I will be doing it for the driving pleasure.