Monaro V Rubbish Truck

[buggo]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Yeah, missed that, but why is he so far from the kerb.

I'd say the blame here is spread between a few drivers.

Truck going too fast & no care. Blue car stopped too far from the kerb & why is the Monaro sitting there at all ?

Dr Terry

Blue car is driving. In his lane. He is 0% to blame.

Monaro is stationary. Whether parked/broken down/ whatever. Doesn't matter. He's a stationary object on a roadway.

Truck is 100% to blame. You cannot just ram into cars because they're stopped and you think they shouldn't be there. It's ridiculous anybody could have any other opinion.

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Yeah, missed that, but why is he so far from the kerb.

I'd say the blame here is spread between a few drivers.

Truck going too fast & no care. Blue car stopped too far from the kerb & why is the Monaro sitting there at all ?

Dr Terry

He is bang in the middle of his lane. Who drives along the concrete of the gutter? End of the day is the truck had enough room to get passed if he exercised a little caution and care. If he didn’t have enough room he should have stopped and waited for a clear path. That size truck seams to navigate the inner west of Sydney everyday and be fine

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Truck going too fast & no care. Blue car stopped too far from the kerb & why is the Monaro sitting there at all ?

Blue isnt parking, they're driving. They're in a perfectly sensible place in their lane. The bigger issue is the truck driver's impatience. It was obvious it was going to be a tight squeeze, but he wouldnt wait. Legally it will be on the truck driver 100%.

[Trevor 57]

Reminds me of a few years ago when I was running the Safety Team at Winton for a come and try day, this was the last of the Commodore Monaro's, novated lease through Tesltra - so basically a company car kinda, but no insurance on a race track. Apparently he grabbed 2nd and not 4th in his excitement.

I watched it happen and thought I was gonna have to break out the Jaws of Life to get him and his wife out, but to the credit of the car, they both stepped out with basically nothing wrong. He got out and asked about a local panel beater, I told him it was well past that lol

Statutory write off - never to be repaired. I saw it come on for auction as it was fairly new, but parts only. The left hand front wheel was up near the door hinges

Video of it happening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWotNeYsOJI



That is my Maverick in the background

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by b0son

Blue isnt parking, they're driving. They're in a perfectly sensible place in their lane. The bigger issue is the truck driver's impatience. It was obvious it was going to be a tight squeeze, but he wouldnt wait. Legally it will be on the truck driver 100%.

I said that the Blue car was stopped, not parked. My point is that if you're going to stop & let somebody pass by, why wouldn't you stop closer to the kerb, not that "sensible" IMHO. He is lucky it wasn't him that was hit & not the Monaro.

You are correct though, legally the truck is 100% in the wrong here, the rest are all just contributing factors.

Dr Terry

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

You are correct though, legally the truck is 100% in the wrong here, the rest are all just contributing factors.

Dr Terry

Spot on, regardless of whether a vehicle is parked legally or illegally you can't just run into it

[FERG_51]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Reminds me of a few years ago when I was running the Safety Team at Winton for a come and try day, this was the last of the Commodore Monaro's, novated lease through Tesltra - so basically a company car kinda, but no insurance on a race track. Apparently he grabbed 2nd and not 4th in his excitement.

I watched it happen and thought I was gonna have to break out the Jaws of Life to get him and his wife out, but to the credit of the car, they both stepped out with basically nothing wrong. He got out and asked about a local panel beater, I told him it was well past that lol

Statutory write off - never to be repaired. I saw it come on for auction as it was fairly new, but parts only. The left hand front wheel was up near the door hinges

Video of it happening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWotNeYsOJI



That is my Maverick in the background

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Wow he went in hard.

[lra]

As a suburban bus driver for a number of years, I know that if we hit a stationary object while driving the bus, we were at fault. End of story.

If a car was parked in a bus zone, and got hit by the wagging tail of the bus, our fault.
The car could be fined for illegal parking if police attended, but we were still at fault for causing an accident, and the bus company liable for repairs.

Same situation here. If cars are legally, or illegally parked, it is the truck driver's job to avoid them. Doesn't matter if he can't get through without hitting them. Just the way it is.

Councils are doing the wrong thing with the roads. I know of housing developments where the roads are too narrow for garbage trucks, so they don't drive in to collect the bins.
If there is a fire, fire trucks will be a real challenge.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Still parked on a solid white line

Are you talking about the solid white line In the Centre? I couldn't see any solid line
The Monaro is parked behind the no stopping sign so looks perfectly legal, its a small street

The Truck clearly likes using intimidation tactics to make the blue car stop, if he just slowed down and gave the blue car a chance to move over for him it could have been avoided

then the muppet hits the tree!!

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

I said that the Blue car was stopped, not parked. My point is that if you're going to stop & let somebody pass by, why wouldn't you stop closer to the kerb

You're assuming he had ample opportunity to move over.

I'm betting the blue car had already exited the roundabout when he saw the truck enter the street. Seeing the road was all but blocked, he had little option but stop, but with a car parked in front and one right behind, he couldnt move.

[Ben73]

I thought there was a rule where if there was a painted centre line you had to park your car a minimum distance from that line. Shouldn't matter if parking is allowed or not.

[mondeomatureguy]

Hi Guy's
I drive trucks for ten years and was parked in a Loading Zone in York Street in the city at around 6am when a bus came down the road too close to my truck and took out the drivers side mirror.

He stopped told me what Bus Depo he was from his name, the bus number and that was it.

I used to drive a 14 ton Acco and go to Marrickville in Sydney to do deliverys. The streets around Marrickville are not real wide and many times i had to give way to cars coming the other way because the size of the truck.

I watched Garbage truck and there was no way he didnt know he had hit the Monaro and should have stopped.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I thought there was a rule where if there was a painted centre line you had to park your car a minimum distance from that line. Shouldn't matter if parking is allowed or not.

In NSW its within 3mtrs of a double dividing centre line.

In Victoria this.....seems silly to me.

3 metres
Unless there is a sign saying that you can you are not allowed to park, stop or leave your vehicle within 3 metres of:

an Australia Post mail box
the departure side of traffic lights (signalised) pedestrian or bike crossing) not at an intersection
double continuous dividing lines (double lines)
a single continuous dividing line
a single continuous line to the left or right of a broken dividing line
a dividing strip.

Street looks to narrow to even allow parking. My brain would tell "this don't look like a good place to park my flash car."
Garbage truck did us a favour taking out another non Monaro.

[Vesper Martini]

I never knew the parking with a solid line rule, but is that actually a solid line as the is a break in it.

The street is a bit confused, there are not stopping signs either side of the roundabout and also makings on the road each side of driveways.

Id hate to live in that street & I certainly wouldn't park a nice car on it

[aussiblue]

If you go to Google Earth and go to the location at the Corner of Joy Street and Roselyn Crescent and virtually drive the garbo's route the "bay" the Monaro is parked in does not have a painted line at the roundabout end so what does that mean; i it really a marked bay?

[ozrunner]

I looked this up just before posting and its a strange setup.

The middle parking bays have a start and end enclosure etc whereas those near the roundabouts seem to have a start marking but no end. Must be a Mexican thing. The Monaro is "parked or on the phone", LOL, in one of these.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by ozrunner

I looked this up just before posting and its a strange setup.

The middle parking bays have a start and end enclosure etc whereas those near the roundabouts seem to have a start marking but no end. Must be a Mexican thing. The Monaro is "parked or on the phone", LOL, in one of these.

Whilst it is a bit odd to not have the end of the parking bay closest to the roundabout marked, the 'No Standing' sign effectively acts as the end of that bay.

My suspicion is that the end furthest away from the roundabout is marked to ensure that the driveway is not blocked, but the council decided to save some small $$ because the 'No Standing' sign was there at the other end.

[Tassie f100]

No way there is anywhere near 3 mtrs between the yellow car and the white line.doesn’t change who is guilty but the insurance co will probably use it as a bluff/stalling tactic

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

No way there is anywhere near 3 mtrs between the yellow car and the white line.doesn’t change who is guilty but the insurance co will probably use it as a bluff/stalling tactic

I think you've missed the highlighted part of the rule tho:

Single continuous dividing lines
If you are on a road with a single continuous line down the middle, you must:

stay to the left of the lines
drive as close to the left side of the road as you can.
You can cross these lines to enter or leave the road.

You can't:

overtake or do a U-turn
park opposite the dividing line unless there is at least three metres between your vehicle and the line or there is a sign saying that parking is allowed.

Now granted, there is no sign saying that you can park there, but the presence of a sign saying you can't stand beyond a certain point and the fact that there are parking bays marked implies that parking is allowed in that space and may just be enough to get you off. A good lawyer, or some of the regular posters here on AFF, would give it a good crack

[PooDog]

What a lot of palava....if the truck can't get through the roundabout staying in his lane it's his responsibility to give way to the traffic coming from the other direction if he makes the decision to cross the centre line then he is responsible for completing the maneuver safely end of story.....doesn't matter what's parked where

If it don't fit don't force it

[kevino]

This accident doesn’t make sense. If as some say he driver of the side loader was in the left hand seat he would have known he would hit the car ditto if he was in the right hand side for that matter.
Maybe he wanted to get sacked.

[BENT_8]

Not an ideal scenario being able to park so close to a roundabout in such a narrow street but if its legal then old mate in the truck has the duty of care.

Driving heavy vehicles in suburbia successfully requires sound spatial awareness, something old mate is clearly lacking as evident in hitting the car at ground level and the tree branch above.

I reckon it was doable with a bit of care but old mate just plowed through.

[kevino]

Trucks hit trees all the time. Council don’t cut trees back as they should.
Trucks hitting trees are a non issue.
Trucks hitting cars is an issue

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Not an ideal scenario being able to park so close to a roundabout in such a narrow street but if its legal then old mate in the truck has the duty of care.

Driving heavy vehicles in suburbia successfully requires sound spatial awareness, something old mate is clearly lacking as evident in hitting the car at ground level and the tree branch above.

I reckon it was doable with a bit of care but old mate just plowed through.

I think you'll find he'll be considered at fault irrespective of whether the cars are deemed to be parked there legally or not. I recall a situation a few years ago where a car, travelling on the correct side of the road, impacted with a vehicle travelling illegally on the wrong side of the road. The driver in the vehicle travelling legally was deemed by the law to be at fault because there is a hierarchy to the road rules, and one of the highest is that you must avoid an incident where possible.

So, as has been said by others, whilst there are contributing factors, I suspect that those factors would not come into play because it would/should have been an avoidable incident if the truck driver took alternative action.

[Top_Ghia]

There is a law in Victoria that says you must leave 3 meters between your parked car and the center line. Ol mate in the Monaro clearly hasn’t done so.
I’m not suggesting that it clears the truck driver of responsibility but ol mate has certainly contributed to the oopsy.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

There is a law in Victoria that says you must leave 3 meters between your parked car and the center line. Ol mate in the Monaro clearly hasn’t done so.

See posts 43 & 49.