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"Ford is recalling 3256 of its FGII Falcon EcoLPi sedans and utes due to a production error that means they may be missing an o-ring seal between the fuel delivery module and the wiring connector insert of the LPG tank." This recall above is just a precaution, it's not an inherent problem. There was no announcement of, or any proof that any vehicles had actually caught on fire. With the Territory the article explains a fault that could lead to fuel leakage (which could lead to fire in the right circumstances). However again, no vehicles were reported to have caught on fire, and I quote the article- "The campaign targets models sold between June 2011 to July 2011. The recall is for a defect that allows the fuel return pipe fitted to the vehicle to separate and allow fuel to leak under the vehicle. Ford will write to owners of affected vehicles. Owners are advised to contact their authorised dealership for inspection and rectification." These articles talk about- only one month of Territories possibly being affected (June 2011-july 2011), and only 3256 Falcons that "may" have been affected respectively, (For the record Ford produced approx 30,000 FG Falcons per year), and the fact that only 3256 units "may" be affected. This does not make the Falcon and Territory inherent firebombs! This actually says that Ford Australia did move quickly to sort out a possible problem, good on them! One of the good points of having had our Fords built in Australia, if ever there were any problems they could quickly be sorted out, because the whole supply chain/network were based here in Australia. For imported cars -such as your Ford Ranger- the process is sure to be more difficult or slower at least, (my brother owns a fully imported Ford Focus and it takes him weeks sometimes months to get parts) if/when you encounter problems or there are recalls, because the car is built overseas (in Thailand I believe), andthe parts are sourced from around the globe. ![]()
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Something I recall from many years ago, which I didn't think was quite right at the time, was an interview with one of the members of the band "ZZ Top".
Turned out that despite them being associated with custom hot rods, one or two of them were also avid Ferrari collectors. The comment which struck me was something along the lines of Ferrari road cars were of terrible quality, and the main reason they were produced was to fund their real ambitions, being F1 racing. That sort of rings true now, with multiple instances being reported of them catching on fire. |
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You a local? My thoughts too lol!!!
cheer's, Maka
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G'day all...Very slightly off topic...sort of but wouldn't this 'sheik' your confidence in super cars catching fire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy_itaW9C1A This was in Dubai but on YT there are literally heaps of vids of Lambo's, mostly Adventadors catching fire ..This is just one of many. Here's a compilation one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW2v...905277..Notice also the questionable driving skills and street racing leading up to the fire in Dubai ..possibly rich boys and their toys ...Expensive anyway...Cheers Rod
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G'day....Not to 'engulf' you too much...Yet another Adventador fire..this time in Miami.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Swlt6jF7Y ..Notice each time it seems to begin around the LH tailight area..Beats me why Lambo never seem to fix this issue..A bit more drastic and dangerous than the perennial critics of Ford Falcon high seating possie..Cheers Rod..
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All this is just so naïve. Anyone in manufacturing knows any recall is bad for business and should be avoided at all cost. A voluntary recall is manufacturer’s speak for - the ACCC is so hot on our tail let’s act before it becomes classed as a forced recall. No manufacturer admits liability and would fight it to the death in the courts therefore the term precautionary action becomes the best PR spin available to them. Overseas manufacturers who export to Australia and have local head offices here act in the same way as the locals manufacturers. |
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My wife owns a 2004 Toyota Corolla (owned since new) and only in the last 6 months we were notified by Toyota that there was to be a safety recall on the vehicle. So basically we have driven a car around that could have had its airbag deployed at any time, and Toyota deal with it 12 years after the car was built! I have all paper work to back this up if you want to see it! I think when it comes to Ford Australia and the two recalls I talked about above, compared to Toyota, they have certainly acted in good faith. The other thing is you are only assuming when you say, and I quote- "A voluntary recall is manufacturers speak for - The ACCC is so hot on our tail lets act before it becomes classed as a forced recall." Unless you are deep inside the Ford Motor Company, or the ACCC, you can't confirm this.. Also I'm well aware that all car companies that import vehicles into Australia do have head offices. The point I was making was that parts supply (parts often sent on back order from overseas) and therefore the solutions to warranty issues process will be much slower for imported cars. You've called me naive, but I'll let that go through to the keeper. Thanks for your comments, cheers, Mark.
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After market wheels, lowered, heavy engine mods, the colour, no insurance and to top it all off, the number plate.
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There is no such thing as a truly voluntary recall, all companies spend many months negotiating with the ACCC before a so called voluntary recall is announced. All large corporations employ in-house Consumer Law specialists to specifically deal with the ACCC and they are in constant discussion on a wide range of issues at any given time. It’s the consumer that is never the wiser. As part of my employment I spent many a long and sleepless night involved in this area with some of the biggest brand names around. Using the term naïve to describe your comment may seem a little harsh but there is no other word for it. By the way, it's the ACCC that in truth sets the terms for a voluntary recall, not the manufacturer and that is why there is so much behind closed doors legal negotiations going on before the announcement. |
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.Always seems to initially catch fire near the left tail light then spreads real quick..Don't know what these things cost but it's pretty terrible such a fault like this is so common.. Seems to happen when drivers rev hard the engine while stationary and I suspect being a rear engine there isn't enough cooling going on or they don't bother with decent thermo fans or something..Race engines , not least F1's get real hot real quick on the grid too..as do V8 Supercars just sitting waiting..The Dubai Lambo is a classic of that....Cheers Rod.. |
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If you cant afford to insure it and maintain a car then dont drive it.
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I can recall one time Mum decided she wanted to learn to drive..Dad was a patient cool headed teacher with us kids ,til he tried to teach Mum...I learned words I'd never heard before at the time...The old Zephyr was never the same again either...Cheers Rod.. |
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maybe he thought a flame job was just the perfect look to go with the wheels!
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The 458's have had heaps of issues with fires.. i would own it in a heart beat... well before the fire...
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Anyway its not only Ferrari's catching on fire. http://jalopnik.com/why-porsche-911-...off-1567011597 And Lamborghini is German now.... bye bye. |
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By the way, how do you explain the 12 years it took Toyota to recall affected vehicles in relation to my wife's car then?
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Not a fan of the interior styling or the exterior styling however the engine looks like someone has spent some effort in there with the turbo setup. What a waste of a car to see it burned down.
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![]() As for the Ferrari, is to bad the wheels only weren't burnt.. Last edited by PaulXR50; 14-11-2016 at 05:27 PM. Reason: more info |
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Large corporations run very deceptive programmes to out maneuverer the ACCC and are prepared to pay enormous amounts of money to not only keep the truth hidden but to keep the ACCC at bay and locked in long term negotiations, sometimes for many years. The ACCC also has a target list of Multinationals who they constantly investigate and these companies are very good at paying off consumers and hiding the truth of their failures all in the name of protecting the brand. The ACCC is under resourced and is constantly playing catch up and often doesn’t get to the truth or at least can’t prove it. Samsung’s recent problems with houses catching fire because of faulty washing machines must have really got under Samsung’s skin because the whole industry knows of one company that had far worst problems with their machines and even though the ACCC smelled a rat the machinations and money spent to keep that from getting out was like a page from a James Bond spy novel. But believe what you will because it’s consumers like you that companies love. Consumers that actually believe the PR blurb. History is littered with companies that have done not only the wrong thing by their customer base but also hidden deadly consequences on a major scale. So it’s a good thing Ford is not a company that would try and pull one over on their customers and are the only company on the planet who would happily put their hand up for a recall. Again, no company initiates a recall (except Ford), all recalls are done in conjunction with the relevant government authority and in Australia that is the ACCC. All recalls are on the government website. One other thing that should be noted is that almost 100% of all recalls in the western world are voluntary recalls and 100% of them are negotiated with the relevant government authorities so they can be seen as voluntary and not mandated. If you can understand that last sentence then you're on the road to understanding what a voluntary recall really is, it's far from being voluntary. http://www.productsafety.gov.au/recalls?source=recalls http://www.productsafety.gov.au/reca...ms_per_page=25 |
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Anyone who has studied economics or law would have heard of the Pinto case. Yes, that's the Ford Pinto. People were dying from fuel tank fires in rear end collisions. Ford could have fixed the problem for $11 per car which would have saved many lives, but chose not after competing a cost/benefit analysis. This is what you call a textbook case.
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I recall they only pay up to $5k....
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