Vx Calais s/c V6 opinions? - Page 2

RAPID_BA · 13-06-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

What was the economy like?

Performance isn't a concern, and if I get it then it would be left largely stock.

As I mentioned earlier, ls1 isn't an option, rego costs and lack of self control means I'd be filling the sucker up every few days.
At one point I was averaging 250km from a full tank in my old fg.

Super6 use a minimum 95 octane fuel so straight up they are more expensive. I find the economy of the Ls1 to be a negligible difference to the Super6. The Super6 is outstanding off the line but doesnt have a great top end to back it up. traffic light to traffic light no ford or holden will touch it stock.

I contend that you can have a Ls1 in your budget, I personally drove a mint cond LS1 VX executive that was $4990. So it had 204,000km but drove beautifully and was in great condition. I thought Km were too high but car didnt look it and the km are still less than the super6 your looking at. The Super6 was a great motor but was overshadowed by the LS1.

Buy a cheap LS1 (yes you can find them), Tune the Ls1 and its probably more fuel efficient than Super6 and bags more power when tuned.

Alan D Segal · 13-06-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RAPID_BA

The Super6 is outstanding off the line but doesnt have a great top end to back it up. traffic light to traffic light no ford or holden will touch it stock.

Rubbish

Muzzle · 13-06-2013, 12:15 PM

A mate had a S/C v6 in a VT he did'nt like it gave all sorts of trouble

and he was a H@#%den man thru and thru, he ended up buying a BA 11 XR6 lol.
My advice buy a XR6T

stevz · 13-06-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Muzzle

A mate had a S/C v6 in a VT he did'nt like it gave all sorts of trouble

and he was a H@#%den man thru and thru, he ended up buying a BA 11 XR6 lol.
My advice buy a XR6T

Yeah he's going to find an xr6t for the amount he's looking to spend, or didn't you read that bit?

flappist · 13-06-2013, 12:24 PM

Hulk is right.

If you race against a SC V6, especially one driven by him, on a road with traffic lights he will win.
But only because as you are pulled over by the highway patrol and they have checked your license & rego, breathalised you and given you a lecture on the evils hooning they will not notice him crawling slowy past still under the speed limit with a strained look on his face and therefore not realise that he thinks he is street racing....

BEN189 · 13-06-2013, 05:25 PM

Yep Hulk is right. I owned a VS Calais with the supercharged V6 and has been my favourite car I've ever owned purely for the fact that it was a traffic light hero, surprised heaps of boss and LS1 V8's BUT it was a very thirsty bugger. I owned a VX Calais LS1 too and it was just as good on fuel as the s/c V6 but the V8 is a much more smoother engine and sounded great.

If it was me I'd try and find a VX LS1 but if you can't find a good one you'll still be very happy with the six banger.

FG50T · 13-06-2013, 05:26 PM

I had a Vy s/c v6 and although it had mods it was great on fuel. I'd average 10L/100 mixed driving. I think the mods may have helped it though but fuel wise wasn't an issue.

They have supercharger, lower intake manifold gasket and cooling system problems that you can encounter. I never did but they're things that will probably happen over a 3 year ownership. Great car but with those kms I'd look for something else.

Corolla!

nstg8a · 13-06-2013, 05:27 PM

Lol some funny responses in here.

I dont consider myself an au hater, theyre just not real high on my favourite falcons.
Theres been an au3 forte ive been eyeing up but ive had a couple of au's and I dont know if I reslly want another just now.

Went and checked out the calais today and I wont be getting it.
dealer told me yesterday it was 5k driveaway, today its 5k plus onroads.

With a non refundable deposit wanted before he put it through for a rwc I decided its not worth ghe risk.

So I keep looking.

99AUXR · 13-06-2013, 05:37 PM

In my opinion shoot for an AU, I know you dislike them but economy in the 6 was amazing I was getting 800km out of my old xr6 they are tough dont really give any problems but an eye sore. Now Im lucky to get 300 out of the turbo

stevz · 13-06-2013, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FG50T

Great car but with those kms I'd look for something else.

Corolla!

A Corolla?

I'd rather resort to these....

Muzzle · 13-06-2013, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

Yeah he's going to find an xr6t for the amount he's looking to spend, or didn't you read that bit?

lol all I saw was I going to buy a holden my bad.

calais · 13-06-2013, 11:28 PM

I owned a VY Series 2 Calais with the Supercharged V6 for six months. I maintained it well, drove it sympathetically and it was a beautiful car. Mine was dyno tuned and had a 9psi pulley fitted though.

It was quick, relatively smooth, and gave good economy of around 7.4L/100km on the open road and around 11L/100km around town. There really was something quite satisfying about having the snappiness of the supercharged six off idle just waiting. There was very little that I couldnt out accelerate to 60km/h should I wanted to. Stock gen 3 commodores or boss falcons were easy to dust off. An XR6 Turbo was a different story.... they are weapons in their own right.

For 5k you would be hard pressed to find better performance which wont break your bank.

FGX-351 · 14-06-2013, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by T4ME

LOL the V series S/C Commodores when in good standard form will hose a BA never lone a AU mate.

The torque spread of the V6 is great.

Having driven and raced against quite a few L67 powered commodores over the years i'd have to disagree with this.

Anything from E series onwards with a 5 speed, red rocker cover & not to mention a capable driver will leave these things in the stone age.

I'd think of it this way, its 240,000kms at $5K.
Given the extensive use of this car over the years(good or bad), you'd really want to give it a good check over and make sure everything is in good working order.

Doesn't take much for any nasties to appear & end up costing you a few extra grand in repairs.

Either way have fun, there's nothing like having a new car to play with!

burnz · 14-06-2013, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The-ShowStoPPa

Having driven and raced against quite a few L67 powered commodores over the years i'd have to disagree with this.

Anything from E series onwards with a 5 speed, red rocker cover & not to mention a capable driver will leave these things in the stone age.

I'd think of it this way, its 240,000kms at $5K.
Given the extensive use of this car over the years(good or bad), you'd really want to give it a good check over and make sure everything is in good working order.

Doesn't take much for any nasties to appear & end up costing you a few extra grand in repairs.

Either way have fun, there's nothing like having a new car to play with!

E series really

, they get hosed by a push bike.

FGX-351 · 14-06-2013, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by burnz

E series really

, they get hosed by a push bike.

Most would rather push a bike than push a Holden! :P

RAPID_BA · 14-06-2013, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BEN189

Yep Hulk is right. I owned a VS Calais with the supercharged V6 and has been my favourite car I've ever owned purely for the fact that it was a traffic light hero, surprised heaps of boss and LS1 V8's BUT it was a very thirsty bugger. I owned a VX Calais LS1 too and it was just as good on fuel as the s/c V6 but the V8 is a much more smoother engine and sounded great.

If it was me I'd try and find a VX LS1 but if you can't find a good one you'll still be very happy with the six banger.

People that have owned them know.

In my experience they would have no probs at the traffic lights against a boss 5.4, ls1, xr6t and n/a 6s would have no chance to the first 200 metres.

They do fall away as the revs get up which puts the boss/ls1/xr6t ahead overall On performance, need a well modded hot n/a 6 to reel it in.

AU Mont · 14-06-2013, 07:41 AM

0-100kph 8 seconds fellas

hand must be getting sore?

Falcon SXR8 · 14-06-2013, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RAPID_BA

People that have owned them know.

In my experience they would have no probs at the traffic lights against a boss 5.4, ls1, xr6t and n/a 6s would have no chance to the first 200 metres.

They do fall away as the revs get up which puts the boss/ls1/xr6t ahead overall On performance, need a well modded hot n/a 6 to reel it in.

200m, so in the length of 2 footy fields a stock v6 supercharged commodore would beat an xr6 turbo / Boss / ls1 wow it makes you wonder why they were not a cult classic then : )

Alan D Segal · 14-06-2013, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

200m, so in the length of 2 footy fields a stock v6 supercharged commodore would beat an xr6 turbo / Boss / ls1 wow it makes you wonder why they were not a cult classic then : )

Isn't 200m 1/8 mile in the old money? Don't people do 1/8 mile races?

If so, let's try to find a stock supercharged holden's 1/8 mile time and compare it to some other cars. We'll see how it stacks up and if RAPID_BA is right.

Here's a modified one:

Type of Car: VY Calais
Type of Engine: l67
Type of Transmission: 4L60E
Type of Mods:Cooled, Rockers,13PSI,tuned Blah Blah Blah!

60 foot time 1.841
1/8 mile time & trap speed. 8.336 @ 82.75

Would be interested to see a stock time.

RAPID_BA · 14-06-2013, 09:53 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx176yVI8U

think of the super6 as similar to a WRX, really strong off the line to about 100km/h and then fades away. This is honestly how they drive. Ive personally recorded mid 6s 0-100 in them but they explode to 60km/h and not as strong thereafter.

the video above is a typical result but i would expect a xr6t/Boss/LS1 to get across the line before the super6

T4ME · 14-06-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AU Mont

0-100kph 8 seconds fellas

hand must be getting sore?

You love your magazine stats don't you.....F6 and GT/GS put out quoted figures don't they lol.

Thankyou for the laugh lad

AU Mont · 14-06-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by T4ME

You love your magazine stats don't you.....F6 and GT/GS put out quoted figures don't they lol.

theres plenty different ways a high powered car like a F6/GT can be driven, hence differing published times

show me anyone who has done better than 8 sec 0-100kph with the mind blowing 171kw commodore? This is of course aside from hulk's counting sheep in his sleep. It seems all this is based on bro science, and not really posting anything of substance to back it up?

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Thankyou for the laugh lad

99AUXR · 14-06-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RAPID_BA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx176yVI8U

think of the super6 as similar to a WRX, really strong off the line to about 100km/h and then fades away. This is honestly how they drive. Ive personally recorded mid 6s 0-100 in them but they explode to 60km/h and not as strong thereafter.

the video above is a typical result but i would expect a xr6t/Boss/LS1 to get across the line before the super6

More bro science from last friday, Caught him before 100km/h but think that was due to ZF. Also rolling start in 2nd was a joke

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AU Mont · 14-06-2013, 11:50 AM

video doesnt mention mods, so we are supposed to take that as gospel but not official times which are fairly reasonable considering total power & torque output?

Dilzzyy · 14-06-2013, 11:53 AM

mine ran 14.2 last year with the bolt on mods i stated previously. anyway thats irrelevant as the OP is no longer looking for one. But in stock form they are not that quick ill admit.

AU Mont · 14-06-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

Here's a modified one:

Type of Car: VY Calais
Type of Engine: l67
Type of Transmission: 4L60E
Type of Mods:Cooled, Rockers,13PSI,tuned Blah Blah Blah!

60 foot time 1.841
1/8 mile time & trap speed. 8.336 @ 82.75

thats pretty damn quick, on its way for a 12.9 400m time.

AU Mont · 14-06-2013, 12:36 PM

lol even the guys on the holden forums agree the stock supercharged 6 was good for mid 15's over the 1/4 mile.

Of course as soon as you start modding anything with boost times get considerably better very quickly,........ anyone who preaches these things as weapons stock need to slap themselves.

Alan D Segal · 14-06-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AU Mont

Of course as soon as you start modding anything with boost times get considerably better very quickly.

That's why I want to see a 1/8 mile time for both a stock supercharged VX/VY and a XR6 Turbo. Really interested to see how close they were over that short distance.

AU Mont · 14-06-2013, 01:43 PM

its pointless. 1/8th mile & 1/4 mile its all relative.

from what i can gather, the few here are saying 0-60kph its quicker than other cars with more power

wgaf.

TheSneakiness · 14-06-2013, 02:00 PM

I will agree with those saying off the mark they're "quick" however the torque of the I6 will quickly reel it in. In my younger days had a traffic light war with a SC6 in a WH Statesman (I was in my AUII Ute) and we took off, he pulled a car and a half on me and by the time the next set of lights were coming up I had pulled a bonnet length in front.

However I would not buy one with that amount of kays on it.