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Test away, there are no entrapment laws in Aus.
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That's why they can park illegally on a nature strip with a radar gun and book you. Secondly, by legal definition 'entrapment' or for it to be used as a line of defence, entrapment in Australia occurs in circumstances where a police officer or law enforcement agent has improperly induced or coerced a person to commit an offence. The undercover squeegee cops, in this case, were simply using the tactic to get close enough to witness a person using their mobile phone while driving or the car was stationary in traffic (but not parked). They did not coerce or induce the drivers to use their phones. ![]() |
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Entrapment might be if they knew your phone number through a number plate search, then called you at the lights to see if you answer. Well maybe. |
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Personally, I'm not a fan of this tactic. Much akin to the unmarked cars displaying L plates and family stickers. I prefer transparency in these kinds of operations, a visible police presence and proper driver education over a quick fix (fine). I think something like this can detract from the positivity of their efforts last week dealing with the terrorist.
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The police can do whatever they like in the execution of the duties.
Most of you are too young but many years ago a new hydroponic store opened up in Victoria, offering stupidly cheap prices and free delivery of goods purchased. A few weeks later said buyers received unannounced visits from Vic constabulary. I love the guys, do whatever you can to catch idiots.
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Wow the nanny state runs strong with some. Here I was thinking there was a bit of difference being stopped at the lights and tinkering with a phone V’s driving along at 100km/hr and tinkering with a phone - obviously some people see this as a capital crime no mater what.
So then I wondered if this might be another revenue raising scheme masquerading as road safety? Victoria is a tad broke. Last edited by GasoLane; 14-11-2018 at 07:12 PM. Reason: Stupid comments |
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I also generally like the police. However, I think there should be a clear line drawn to ensure public trust is maintained. Police shouldn't be allowed to do whatever they like during their duties - that's how a culture of corruption develops.
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Not the first time they've used tactics like this. They used to send the young cadets to theft hotspot carparks. They'd hang around stretching in their yoga gear pretending to be park users whilst scoping for junky thieves doing over cars.
On another cop/ phone related subject, heading into work about 3:30am this morn, cop car, flashing lights, stopped in the left lane of the narrows bridge. Two coppers stopped for a selfie with the city in the background! Damn I need a dash cam.
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![]() They would have been better off drug testing on that road anyway. They would have tripled their revenue. |
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Yep. Bizarre that in a nanny state such as ours, we don't have ADRs that deal with this stuff. I mean, you cant play a DVD on the main screen while the car is in motion, but when it comes to something like cancelling a warning screen, many systems require you to do that on the touchscreen, you cant cancel them via the wheel buttons/etc.
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There's some things you cant do on your screen like check Calender's for appointment details, but checking FB for example is just not necessary. curious though, what sort of NAV allows web browsing and emails?
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For a second offence the phone should be destroyed in front of them.
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I don't have a problem with what they did.
Sometimes I wish I was one as I see the same people all the time on their phones. |
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People need to use voice commands on their mobiles. I use Google to read my messages, send messages, navigate maps and turn on music etc. Great feature once you start using it.
Much better then being fined or causing an accident. |
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Larger fines, demerits and losing your licence is enough. |
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Correct.
But remember way back when speed cameras were first introduced and police operated them? Camera cars were parked up with telecom, water board, sec, etc magnetic logos on them. That was stopped as it was considered entrapment. More from public and political pressure than any law though. This was in Melbourne.
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even if you can use you nav screen for them functions as this is even covered under the Victorian (and other states) mobile phone rules Navigation devices and GPS units Hide Quote:
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Today's society can't decide what's worse...
Crush the mobile or Crush the car... ![]() Stats or no stats...leave the mobile alone whilst in control of a car... ![]()
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![]() Here’s a linky for NSW. https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#.../div1/rule.300
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and you cant utilize it for any other purpose than as a CB radio you cant check your email ~ face book , or even stare at it for a prolong period of time whilst trying to remember some ones number whilst inputting it of trying to find the name in you contacts and sorry that it annoys you that this is the case but I don't write the rules we all have to abide by and how ever if deemed they can still book you for use of the CB anyways under the dangerous driving law if they feel the need they don't always make rules because of the "every one" situation but usually coz the DUMB and every one gets affected by the nock on of the rule
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When ever I have to stop I do the rear view mirror check. So often I see people grabbing 'something' as soon as they see a yellow light ahead. The same people continue looking down for a while after they start driving on a green. I bet those people say they only text at red lights because you know "its safe'
Mobile phone addiction is a real thing. Stop obsessing over it and it will be better for your health. |
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I have no sympathy for anyone getting caught using a mobile phone whilst driving. And I'm also not that bothered by the means that the police use to catch those who do use their phones. If you're not using your phone, then it makes no difference what technique they use.
This video that I posted a couple of years back should be a wakeup call for anyone who thinks they are ok using a phone whilst driving. Watch some of these people and see how far they travel with their eyes on their phone and not on the road. It is staggering! And remember, they knew they were being filmed....
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