2018 Ranger Raptor - Page 19

bretts351 · 09-02-2018, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by spvd02

I think we have all been misled when Ford attached the 'Raptor' badge to this vehicle. To clarify the ensuing confusion, one of Ford's engineers have admitted it should be seen more as a 'baby' Raptor.

Since that would look silly as a decal, I think Ford should have made their intentions clear from day one, by calling it the Ford Ranger BMX.

Instead they have left potential owners, who probably were keenly looking forward to this vehicle because of the high performance that its name suggests, feeling betrayed.

Thinking they were getting the real deal, they have now instead been presented with an expensive toy version which, while driving it, they can imagine what the real Raptor might be like, and hoping that one day they might be able to experience it for themselves.

That day might come sooner than they expect because, as we know, toys don't last long, and before you know it, they need to be replaced (at a cost).

I'm sure most owners aren't looking for durability, so it shouldn't be too much of a concern if the engine blows after 150k. It'll be a great excuse for rich owners to upgrade, while leaving the next poor owner to sort out any problems.

Ford, I like your thinking... Good for business

what on earth are you on about? The top man in ford performance is endorsing the little truck, the same guy that worked on Ford GT and GT350 Mustangs... and yet you think the glass is half empty?
mate, lighten up!.

Mercury Bullet · 09-02-2018, 09:02 PM

Heads up for those in wa.

Listening to the radio in the car and today tonight (ch7) are doing a story on the raptor tonight.

Good coup for ford, a bit of free advertising never goes astray.

GTLEGEND · 09-02-2018, 09:25 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/n...cid=spartanntp

Romulus · 09-02-2018, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Thanks Mercury, what I got from that is.... it's not only a small engine and has less towing ability on coils.
Sound like Ford are looking for guinea pigs.

And lets see how many guinea pigs there are.

I wont be getting back into a new Ford until the US based Raptor and F150 is available in Oz.

The Ranger Raptor is weak.

chrisandsharon · 09-02-2018, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GTLEGEND

https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/n...cid=spartanntp

Yep, he hit the nail on the head with that article, couldn’t agree more.

Edit - just reading that Jamal Hameedi the chief engineer says the ranger Raptor drives better than the F150 raptor - can’t be all bad then.

Falcon SXR8 · 10-02-2018, 12:32 AM

Yes its down on motor guys, its a shame i agree but in the real world of owning a raptor you will just have to make compromises. When your at a job site and the tradies are egging you on to grab some bricks and a couple of pallets out of the skip bin to build a hectic jump ramp, just keep in mind your gunna need a bigger run up than you thought.

But think of the advantages a small capacity engine brings to the table. With it having to work hard all the time to lug the fat tank around all that extra heat might mean less dpf burn offs. And what better way for ford to showcase its latest 10 speed gearbox than a tiny engine rowing through the gears trying to stay in the powerband.

I joke i joke im sure it will be a a manly machine

spvd02 · 10-02-2018, 01:07 AM

I don't understand what the engineer is trying to say when he suggests we are all missing the point when complaining about the engine. If we're missing the point by expecting significantly more power, then the developers of the f150 Raptor must also have missed the point by actually providing it.

The comment just does not make sense. Clearly they've used a different philosophy for the Ranger version, then given it the same name.

Straight-line performance is part of f150 Raptor's philosophy, whereas clearly this is not the case with the Ranger - apparently we're all focusing on the wrong thing if we expect it. The f150 Raptor would give the Ranger a hiding in a straight line desert race, even though the Ranger is also supposed to be a 'desert racer'.

Ford, please explain why this difference in philosophy - is it to make sure that each version appeals to a different market, so one doesn't cannibalize sales of the other? If so, please bring the f150 version to Aus - now there's a car that ticks ALL the boxes.

naddis01 · 10-02-2018, 01:27 AM

http://www.caradvice.com.au/621176/f...tor-automatic/

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Ford: Ranger Raptor 10-speed auto “very capable”
Company considered a 13-speeder, too
ARTICLE
PHOTOS
Ford: Ranger Raptor 10-speed auto "very capable"

by Anthony Crawford

In an attempt to meet the ambitious performance targets it set for the Ranger Raptor, Ford engineers turned to the 10-speed automatic from the full-size F-150 Raptor.

The transmission, according to John Fallu, transmission and driveline engineering manager for Ford Asia Pacific, was chosen because it meets “both our refinement and performance benchmarks” for the Raptor.

“The torque converter is selected specifically for trying to meet – and improve – the launch performance of the engine, so as to meet customer expectations,” he said, speaking exclusively to CarAdvice.

“As far as refinement goes, it’s just incredible. Even the shift busy-ness you would expect from more gear shifts just isn’t perceptible, because it’s just so smooth in that regard – almost imperceptible, and there’s even rev-matching on the downshifts.”

Some might argue 10 ratios is overkill, but Fallu says Ford did extensive testing before finally selecting the 10-speeder.

“We actually did simulations during the exhaustive testing process for the optimum number of gear ratios for a rear-wheel drive truck of this size and power… we looked at seven speeds, nine speeds all the way up to 12 and 13 speeds, to see if – from a performance perspective and an efficiency perspective – what truly is optimal for the design.

“The ratios are very evenly steeped, so the total span is a 7.4 gear ratio span in the transmission for a less perceptible shift characteristic. What we were looking for is that uniform shift feel as you’re going up through the gears.”

Interestingly, that same transmission is capable of handling up to 336kW and 691Nm of torque, as it does in the F-150 SVT Raptor truck in the USA.

Unfortunately any questions to Ford execs on more powerful engines were quickly dismissed.

chrisandsharon · 10-02-2018, 08:51 AM

The team behind the Ranger Raptor have already said it drives better than the F-150 - they should know. The F150 still runs horse and cart leaves in the back.

As for the petrol there may be a possibility of either a 310hp 4cyl turbo or the 325 V6 twin turbo for the US market. Lmfao - I’ll keep the diesel anyday over that shyte.

Keep ya heads in the sand

BaraFGXR6 · 10-02-2018, 09:02 AM

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...-raptor-for-us

US will get a beefier engine, once again Ford Australia pours salt on the wound in trying to dictate what we should think we want to buy. Still anxious to see how the 2 litre will perform, but if the US gets a high powered petrol then what the hell is Ford on about saying "it's not all about the power"...

XRtowcar · 10-02-2018, 09:03 AM

Needs more stickers.

Nu66et · 10-02-2018, 09:22 AM

I think youre either going to get it when it comes to the Ranger Raptor, or youre not.

I didnt like the idea of a 2L, but when it was first suggested the figures looked to be lineball or less than the 3.2. The final figures look to be lineball or more, so although only marginally different at least its an upgrade on paper. I live in hope that when this 2L/10spd combo moves to the rest of the range, Raptor will get something more.

Raptor to me was always about what was made different to the rest of the car though. As soon as i read they had the Fox shocks, i knew they hadnt gone half cocked. I hadnt read any rumours that suggested it anything other than offroad tuned suspension. Including the coil sprung rear end probably shouldnt be underrated either. Ford may be wafting around suggesting it wasnt a drop in replacement from Everest, but think for a moment that the SVT team stuck with F150's standard layout.

I think some people wouldve been happier seeing something with a big engine, lifted on 20 inch wheels like what most of the modified Rangers seem to turn out as.

**DJR-351** · 10-02-2018, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

The team behind the Ranger Raptor have already said it drives better than the F-150 - they should know. The F150 still runs horse and cart leaves in the back.

As for the petrol there may be a possibility of either a 310hp 4cyl turbo or the 325 V6 twin turbo for the US market. Lmfao - I’ll keep the diesel anyday over that shyte.

Keep ya heads in the sand

I ain't no salesman, but even i know to state it doesn't drive as well as the F-150 would add a few nails to the coffin lid lol....

chrisandsharon · 10-02-2018, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

I ain't no salesman, but even i know to state it doesn't drive as well as the F-150 would add a few nails to the coffin lid lol....

It’s great they don’t have to - fact that the F150 does not handle as good as the Ranger Raptor is great advertisement alone.

With the F150s rear end still resembling a Cobb and co stage coach I know what I’d prefer when I head off-road. Can’t deny though that the F150 has more horses up front dragging its cart end rear

Wonder how long we’ll have to wait before the journos get a hold of it.

mr smith · 10-02-2018, 11:56 AM

This thing is as cool as a 4 pot Mustang or Falcon..someone needs to get the sack over this. How could you get it so wrong..

jpd80 · 10-02-2018, 01:14 PM

In other news,
Ford engineers tells "critics" or is that potential buyers that they are wrong about
the engine choice they wanted in a Raptor.

Maybe we should go back to who buys Ranger in the first place and why few if any,
have asked for a petrol V6 or Turbo I-4. What is it that those actual Raptor buyers want?
Is it a cookie cutter mini-me of the US Raptor or do they want a go fast in the bush diesel
truck that comes without worry of going through tons of fuel in the bush?

Me thinks, Ford is looking to Ranger buyers graduating to a higher level, not a truck for GT car buyers.

Quote:

“To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.”
― Elbert Hubbard, Little Journeys to the Homes of the Great Vol. 3: American Statesmen

csv8 · 10-02-2018, 02:29 PM

and in the USA ? "2019 Ford Ranger Raptor Engine Specs
"As far as engine matches sell for the 2019 Ford Ranger, Car and also Driver is betting that the truck’s present 3.2-liter diesel engine offered outside the U.S. will make its method right into the brand-new U.S. version and that it could measure up to the energy efficiency of the diesel-equipped Chevrolet Colorado as well as GMC Canyon.
An EcoBoost four-cylinder engine as well as naturally aspirated gas V6 are likewise anticipated to be offered as other engine options for the 2019 Ford Ranger, Car as well as Driver records, adding the vehicle “will utilize the exact same body-on-frame building and construction as the vehicle marketed in other places worldwide.”https://allnewcarreviews.com/2019-fo...er-raptor-usa/

**Fordman1** · 10-02-2018, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

and in the USA ? "2019 Ford Ranger Raptor Engine Specs
"As far as engine matches sell for the 2019 Ford Ranger, Car and also Driver is betting that the truck’s present 3.2-liter diesel engine offered outside the U.S. will make its method right into the brand-new U.S. version and that it could measure up to the energy efficiency of the diesel-equipped Chevrolet Colorado as well as GMC Canyon.
An EcoBoost four-cylinder engine as well as naturally aspirated gas V6 are likewise anticipated to be offered as other engine options for the 2019 Ford Ranger, Car as well as Driver records, adding the vehicle “will utilize the exact same body-on-frame building and construction as the vehicle marketed in other places worldwide.”https://allnewcarreviews.com/2019-fo...er-raptor-usa/

BS.

If there is a US Raptor in the next few years ( unless it has a 2.3 Ecoboost ), I’ll eat a Mustang GT.

They’ve already said there is only one engine option, and they’ve revealed the MY2019 lineup already.

Bossxr8 · 10-02-2018, 03:17 PM

Where are the clowns who claimed this car would be nothing but a sticker pack now? Probably the same ones who now look stupid for claiming that, have now turned to critisizing the engine to make themselves feel better.

One comment in an article says the 4 Fox Racing shocks are worth more than the entire engine is. And turbo diesels aren't cheap to make.

Bossxr8 · 10-02-2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

and in the USA ? "2019 Ford Ranger Raptor Engine Specs
"As far as engine matches sell for the 2019 Ford Ranger, Car and also Driver is betting that the truck’s present 3.2-liter diesel engine offered outside the U.S. will make its method right into the brand-new U.S. version and that it could measure up to the energy efficiency of the diesel-equipped Chevrolet Colorado as well as GMC Canyon.
An EcoBoost four-cylinder engine as well as naturally aspirated gas V6 are likewise anticipated to be offered as other engine options for the 2019 Ford Ranger, Car as well as Driver records, adding the vehicle “will utilize the exact same body-on-frame building and construction as the vehicle marketed in other places worldwide.”https://allnewcarreviews.com/2019-fo...er-raptor-usa/

Clearly an old article, or misinformed writer. Ford US have already said it's just the one engine/trans for US Ranger.

Mercury Bullet · 10-02-2018, 03:25 PM

I want to see someone run this full tilt down the Finke.

Production class just got boring.

Bossxr8 · 10-02-2018, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

I want to see someone run this full tilt down the Finke.

Production class just got boring.

Where do you think the video they released a couple months ago was filmed.

Romulus · 10-02-2018, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by spvd02

I don't understand what the engineer is trying to say when he suggests we are all missing the point when complaining about the engine. If we're missing the point by expecting significantly more power, then the developers of the f150 Raptor must also have missed the point by actually providing it.

The comment just does not make sense. Clearly they've used a different philosophy for the Ranger version, then given it the same name.

Straight-line performance is part of f150 Raptor's philosophy, whereas clearly this is not the case with the Ranger - apparently we're all focusing on the wrong thing if we expect it. The f150 Raptor would give the Ranger a hiding in a straight line desert race, even though the Ranger is also supposed to be a 'desert racer'.

Ford, please explain why this difference in philosophy - is it to make sure that each version appeals to a different market, so one doesn't cannibalize sales of the other? If so, please bring the f150 version to Aus - now there's a car that ticks ALL the boxes.

Have Ford taken the same attitude as GM did in the 80's and 90's - "We build it, you just buy it. What's good for GM is good for America".

They are not listening to what the market wants and expects. It's a Raptor they're releasing, it should have a V8 or TTV6, petrol of course.

This thing is going to be not much more chop that a TRD Hilux.

**GasoLane** · 10-02-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Where do you think the video they released a couple months ago was filmed.

Do you mean this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=lkSgsWjmxt4

**Fordman1** · 10-02-2018, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

Have Ford taken the same attitude as GM did in the 80's and 90's - "We build it, you just buy it. What's good for GM is good for America".

They are not listening to what the market wants and expects. It's a Raptor they're releasing, it should have a V8 or TTV6, petrol of course.

This thing is going to be not much more chop that a TRD Hilux.

I’m disappointed that a discontinued ( no longer built ) HSV Sedan will be faster on the drag strip

Romulus · 10-02-2018, 04:03 PM

I'd rather this Raptor!

jpd80 · 10-02-2018, 04:06 PM

FX4 arrives with a price close to Wildtrak and sells out, immediately on back order.
Buyers didn't flinch at the near $64,000 price tag...............

Maybe we should just watch and see who ends up buying this Raptor, I have a feeling
that those buyers won't flinch at the $80,000 price tag either...........

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Originally Posted by csv8

"As far as engine matches sell for the 2019 Ford Ranger, Car and also Driver is betting that the truck’s present 3.2-liter diesel engine offered outside the U.S. will make its method right into the brand-new U.S. version and that it could measure up to the energy efficiency of the diesel-equipped Chevrolet Colorado as well as GMC Canyon.

An EcoBoost four-cylinder engine as well as naturally aspirated gas V6 are likewise anticipated to be offered as other engine options for the 2019 Ford Ranger...........https://allnewcarreviews.com/2019-fo...er-raptor-usa/

csv8, that article is from August 2016.
Ford has stated that North American Ranger will have one engine and one transmission, 2.3 EB + 10 AT.

Oh, for anyone else playing along at home, the 3.2 I-5 has been federalized and used in US Transit,
so it's more than capable of meeting / exceeding Euro 6 emissions levels.......

**Fordman1** · 10-02-2018, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

I'd rather this Raptor!

You should buy one

chrisandsharon · 10-02-2018, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

This thing is going to be not much more chop that a TRD Hilux.

cause a TRD Hilux is soooooo special

jpd80 · 10-02-2018, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

cause a TRD Hilux is soooooo special

exactly, it's an extra pack on an SR5, it isn’t as good as the Ranger top-end models:
you can’t get all the active safety aids like forward collision warning, lane departure
warning and lane keeping assistance, and adaptive cruise control.

That's why high series Rangers are more expensive but also more desirable.