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They've (the Malaysians) have F1 GP to cater for this weekend. They need to have this issue out of the spot light for a while. That's my take on making a premature announcement based on no hard evidence confirming crash debris in the south Indian Ocean.
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This Whole debarkle reeks of a cover-up!! I smell a gigantic rat!
To top off the poor families grief, they were TEXTED that all their relos are dead.. Not personally visited or even phoned.. Nope, texted! AND apparently relos booted out of their Malaysian airlines supplied hotel accomodation to make room for this weekends F1 requirements.. Tell you what... I'd NEVER EVER fly with this shonky mob, I'd rather fly with the friggin Wright Bros!
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Does the B777-200ER have an ELT on board (I guess more to the point does Malaysia Airlines carry them).
It's almost like there needs to be an automatically deploy-able ELT in the event an airliner crashes.
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"Wherever humanly possible, we did so in person with the families or by telephone, using SMS only as an additional means of ensuring fully that the nearly 1,000 family members heard the news from us and not from the media." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-2...milies/5343946 See, mainstream media (7, 9, 10) don't like to tell the whole story, and want to conjure up ill feeling towards Malaysia airlines as that's what gets peoples attention. I think what Malaysia Airlines did in this instance is fair. Regarding the US$5000 compensation for each family member on the plane...might not seem like a lot, but Malaysia Airlines don't have the millions or billions of dollars in revenue. Last year they posted a loss of $356 million for 2013. This offer could be the best they can do, which they aren't even REQUIRED to do. Its also just a starting offer to help families with their IMMEDIATE expenses. Once again, its just the media trying to stir the public up into a riot with their one sided headlines. Last edited by No.6; 25-03-2014 at 08:04 PM. |
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^^ good post
Like I said previously lots of criticism of Malaysia w/out all facts being known everyone's an expert on air crash investigation all of a sudden |
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Malaysia (read Government officials; Transport Minister, Security Minister, etc) were a bunch of fumbling idiots in the first few days of the situation. Malaysia Airlines may very well be helping the families with some compensation and paying for hotel accommodation, but some would argue this is negligible in a situation like this. Any one know what the legal obligations of the airline are if its found to be their fault? Would the families of the victims sue?
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Surely they are insured for this???
Just like any other business that causes injury or death to customers during its operations??? |
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Aren't they still saying its suspicious though? Those comms were deliberately turned off, bit hard to state categorically that Malaysia airlines are the ones at fault until we know what's actually happened on board that plane.
I'm sure their lawyers and insurance companies will be ramping up already, and making sure nothing they do acknowledges guilt until all possible facts are known. |
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An emergency locator transmitter (ELT) is mounted to the top center of the fuselage in the passenger cabin area. The ELT automatically transmits distress signals on 121.5 MHZ, 243 MHZ, and 406 MHZ if a high deceleration is sensed, or if the ELT switch is positioned to ON.
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#461 | ||
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And if anything was said on 243 or 121.5 then it WOULD have been heard, absolutely no question.
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ELT's can be manually switched off though....
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i see China is questioning the validity of the results now.
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I'm visualising something that is automatically ejected and activated from the aircraft if it crashes.
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Taken from a Boeing AMM (Aircraft Maintenance manual):
"Purpose Emergency locator transmitters help rescue crews find airplanes which land away from an airport. The transmitters send a radio signal to satellites, other airplanes, and air traffic control facilities. Rescue crews use information from these sources to find the airplane. Physical Description The emergency locator transmitter is a compact, buoyant, automatic unit. Emergency locator transmitters have these parts: Transmitter Battery Antenna Lanyard. The transmitter provides a homing signal for civil and military search aircraft by automatically transmitting a swept-tone-modulated signal simultaneously on both the civil and military international VHF aeronautical distress frequencies (121.5 and 243.0 MHz). Some ELTs can also operate at the frequency of 406.025MHz. Some ELTs are equipped with a silver chloride/magnesium primary cell. In the preactivated state the electrolyte is dry and the battery is inert. The battery is activated when the electrolyte gets wet with water. Immersion in water (as a result of an aircraft ditching) automatically activates the battery. The antenna pivots and folds along the length of the emergency locator transmitter for stowage. Some ELTs contain water-soluble tape that retains the antenna in the stowed position. Emergency locator transmitters have a lanyard assembly and in some cases, a yoke cable. The lanyard assembly has 60 feet of braided nylon cord and attaches to a flexible stainless-steel yoke cable. The yoke cable attaches to the battery case and wraps around the battery case. The lanyard cord is bifilar-wound on a holder card and the yoke cable and holder card attach to the battery case with water-soluble tape. A lanyard guide and the stowed antenna hold the nylon cord approximately four feet from the free end of the lanyard. For method of use, refer to the component operation instructions and placards. Location Emergency locator transmitters may be in these general locations: Life rafts Overhead stowage bins Center ceiling compartments Other stowage locations throughout the airplane. See your operations manual to determine the types, quantity, and locations of the emergency locator transmitters. Placards on the airplane identify the locations of emergency equipment." Stu. |
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Yep and it has happened a few times and is what I suspect happened this time (although I am no expert)
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Sounds feasible to me.
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Internally mounted. There is another emergency beacon the crew take with them if ditching. It is activated by contact with salt water.
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Kinda doesn't explain why it suddenly dropped off the RADAR with no mayday or any other distress signal. Now they're suspecting wreckage 1000's of kms away is all that is left.
I feel bad for all on board and their families looking for answers. Stu. |
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Those Zombie flight usually maintain a designated flight path then fall from the sky once the fuel supply runs out. Bit hard to change direction, switch off the transponder, then the ACARS when you`re asleep.
If that were to be the case, then there must have been an unprecendeted chain of events that led to the plane ditching in the southern Indian ocean. |
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And if the plane is at the bottom of the Indian Ocean, the satellites wouldn't pick up the signal from the ELT or...?
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True....and don't know.
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An interesting link on insurance claims in the US vs outside for the air asia crash recently. Might point to some figures expected for this event
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3603896.html As most were asian Im guessing, unfairly, that they will recieve less than the westerners for this event. JP |
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Will this incident alone collapse MA with the flow on effect, or will they end up somehow legally finding a loophole?
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I have to say I've flown Malaysian airlines plenty of time never had the slightest concern
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