Covid 19 -

[ljf12]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Presser went for about an hour and most of it waffle. Clear and concise please FFS

Can only hope that no one outside Australia watched him, you can have a haircut (limited to 30 mins) but you can’t have your nails done.
You can still ride in a packed train or bus, but you can’t have a spray tan.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by ljf12

Can only hope that no one outside Australia watched him, you can have a haircut (limited to 30 mins) but you can’t have your nails done.
You can still ride in a packed train or bus, but you can’t have a spray tan.

Well the contradictory restrictions is another problem too

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by ljf12

Can only hope that no one outside Australia watched him, you can have a haircut (limited to 30 mins) but you can’t have your nails done.
You can still ride in a packed train or bus, but you can’t have a spray tan.

You can always engage personal common sense... Should I touch that? No? But if you have to, clean off your hands with soap and water before you pick your nose.

EVERYTHING you touch in public is suspected of being infected, treat it as such.

I've had nearly 30 years of dealing with unknown diseases by collecting blood and other bodily fluids from different areas, AIDS, Heptatitis, Swine Flu, many more I've not known about, and I've never been infected.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by Swanny

You can always engage personal common sense... Should I touch that? No? But if you have to, clean off your hands with soap and water before you pick your nose.

EVERYTHING you touch in public is suspected of being infected, treat it as such.

I've had nearly 30 years of dealing with unknown diseases by collecting blood and other bodily fluids from different areas, AIDS, Heptatitis, Swine Flu, many more I've not known about, and I've never been infected.

So you work for the Australian Taxation Office

[Sioso]

Originally Posted by ljf12

Can only hope that no one outside Australia watched him, you can have a haircut (limited to 30 mins) but you can’t have your nails done.
You can still ride in a packed train or bus, but you can’t have a spray tan.

Let's not forget this ripper comment from last night "Anyone who has a job is an essential service"
WTF does that mean?
If that's the case why are we referring to it as an essential service, why not just keep calling it a job?

[Citroënbender]

I’m sort of put out by the Oz government basically pulling up stumps until 11th August but leaving the door open to make up things as they go - including constituting a quorum, cf:

Originally Posted by Hansard

"...the House may meet in a manner and form not otherwise provided in the standing orders with the agreement of the Leader of the House and the Manager of Opposition Business, with the manner in which Members may be present (including for the purposes of achieving a quorum) to be determined by the Speaker"

After enacting indisputably Draconian measures the last thing I want is for them to grant themselves the right to bugger off and hide. I would much prefer they had agreed bindingly to convene much more regularly and own their decisions.

[turbo4]

Originally Posted by Sioso

Let's not forget this ripper comment from last night "Anyone who has a job is an essential service"
WTF does that mean?
If that's the case why are we referring to it as an essential service, why not just keep calling it a job?

It means that every person currently working and paying tax is essential to the nation's economy at this time, he did explain that.

[Sioso]

Originally Posted by turbo4

It means that every person currently working and paying tax is essential to the nation's economy at this time, he did explain that.

I'm asking why we are calling jobs essential services?
If non-essential services don't exist I don't understand the reason to confuse the public by referring to work as essential services.
I took over a dozen calls from staff yesterday trying to confirm if our industry is classed as essential services.

[Fed]

The pollies are bolting eh, I'm betting the medical profession won't be too far behind them.

I rang my heart specialist yesterday to cancel two appointments (myself & wife), they said they were in the middle of canceling all their appointments.

I have zero expectations of being able to get any medical help for the next 3-6 Months.

[Bushbasher]

To all the ignorant and selfishness fatalists who won't isolate and say this is all exaggerated etc. or say " what's the point, we're all going to get sick anyway", YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!! and a walking self fulfilling prophecy. YOU are spreading the virus by refusing to stay home, not gloving up when you should or not following protocols put in place. WAKE UP, you idiots, you're condemning yourself and the rest of us to a worst case scenario with your ignorance and selfishness.


GO HOME !!

[EgoFG]

BB quoted my feeling/thoughts (as obviously opposite his)

Originally Posted by Bushbasher

... this is all exaggerated etc. or say " what's the point, we're all going to get sick anyway",..

But as someone who thinks this, I still agree with his conclusion.


Even us skeptics, conspiracy theorists and fatalists should show our consideration to those at risk.

[Fed]

Partial quote from 15-3-20

I think they should totally lock Australia down right now, no one in at all then isolate & eradicate all traces in Australia.

On that Day (15th) Australia had only 5 active cases of coronavirus.

Australia's (Govt) initial response was driven by the $$$ and now we're going to pay the price big time.

Does anyone really believe we only have a couple of Thousand cases at the moment?
Probably 10 times that and doubling every 3 Days.

Lockdown now for a better future on the other side of the Scomo Bridge.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Fed

Partial quote from 15-3-20


On that Day (15th) Australia had only 5 active cases of coronavirus.

Australia's (Govt) initial response was driven by the $$$ and now we're going to pay the price big time.

Does anyone really believe we only have a couple of Thousand cases at the moment?
Probably 10 times that and doubling every 3 Days.

Lockdown now for a better future on the other side of the Scomo Bridge.

The economic fallout would destroy substantially more lives than the virus. Even with the current measures the economic fallout will be huge. It will take years to get over.

[Fed]

Originally Posted by prydey

The economic fallout would destroy substantially more lives than the virus. Even with the current measures the economic fallout will be huge. It will take years to get over.

I guess we'll never know prydey, I wonder what they would have done with 20/20 hindsight?

FWIW South Korea have done well according to their chart on the worldometers website (Active Cases).
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...y/south-korea/

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Fed

I guess we'll never know prydey, I wonder what they would have done with 20/20 hindsight?

FWIW South Korea have done well according to their chart on the worldometers website (Active Cases).
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...y/south-korea/

while there are benefits to being able to look at the measures other countries take, they are still just a guide. you still have to tailor the measures to suit your own country.

there is no precedent for this.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Fed

FWIW South Korea have done well according to their chart on the worldometers website (Active Cases).

I’d believe it. One of my “gay nomad” clients is Korean and his parents (of venerable age) remain well; everyone is apparently playing ball on risk mitigation. It seems a very socially conscious place, the stories of attention to healthy life and sustainability in even small towns and small ways is instructive.

[Poetic Justice]

I think the main feeling of hindsight would be locking down all borders with very, very strict measures for quarantine - not self isolation either - forcable lock downs and then wait it out - one of the small things that could have benefited Australia being so detached from the bulk of the world.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Poetic Justice

I think the main feeling of hindsight would be locking down all borders with very, very strict measures for quarantine - not self isolation either - forcable lock downs and then wait it out - one of the small things that could have benefited Australia being so detached from the bulk of the world.

lockdowns are not about stopping the virus. the virus can't be stopped. There are limited resources to cope with it so lockdowns just slow down the spread.

the earlier you lock things down, the longer you have to keep them locked down for. its just not that simple.

[Cav]

I pinched this off FB


SCOMO I may stand alone. But, I applaud you. I commend you. I respect you.

& I hope that even if you see one positive post - it will give you the confidence & motivation to keep going. 🍂
You just stood in front of the Nation, visibly tired & exhausted. You are trying your best, there is no handbook & yet you are expected to have all the answers. In some cases, you're only the messenger.

Everyone is talking as if you're the one to blame for this, that you created this, that you aren't doing enough or that you're doing too much.

People demanding a full lockdown yet rage & blame you for shutting down businesses & manoeuvring towards a lockdown.

People forcing you to shut borders but uproar that you're not allowing people to come home.

People crying that you aren't acting fast enough, yet you aren't giving people enough notice to act.

People blaming you for businesses & services not acting fast enough as if you're the one sitting behind the service desk.

& don't forget it's your fault the Internet & websites aren't working.

People, grown-up adults, asking you to tell them what to do & then ignoring your advice.

Essential employees need you to keep schools open so they can continue to work to help their communities & avoid joining the long line of Centrelink vulnerables, yet everyone else is demanding you to close schools. The advice is schools are open to help the people you depend on! Doctors, nurses, cashiers etc. If you don't want to send your kids, DONT.

People in the comfort of their armchairs, abusing you for not enforcing systems to keep them safe yet complain when you do enforce them.

You have received backlash from every direction, every angle, in every form - from strangers who have never even seen you in person. They have no consideration for your own personal struggles or understanding of how much work you're doing behind the scenes.

I see it, it's all over social media. It's on my own personal newsfeed. Yet some of these people, have never worked a day in their life, some of these people have just had their allowances doubled yet still demand more, some of the people disregard any form of regulations, some of these people want you to do all the work for them.

Yet, despite all of that, here you are - You are fronting every single ****ing day. You don't get holidays or a home time. You have been working night & day to implement systems to help people. Your people.

You are granting millions of dollars of assistance to people to help them in this crisis. Rent relief, allowances, business grants, pushing for mortgage pauses! You are implementing systems under other peoples advice. You are remaining calm, even though you may be shaking on the inside.

Droughts, Floods, Bush fires & now Covid - 19. Most Prime Ministers haven't dealt with half of it.

I know it's hard, but keep going. Those who would never want to stand in your shoes, appreciate you. 🍀

From Me, An independent Fifo Wife & protective Mother.

Who waved her husband goodbye on Sunday, not knowing when I'll see him next. He won't travel or risk transmission. He'll stay there to work for us, so we have a roof over our head & to avoid falling into a pit where thousands of people need help.

We know while we are able, we will continue pushing on & fighting, so other people who need help, get it.

Stay safe everyone & remember this too will pass 🌻

[prydey]

So true Cav

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by Cav

I pinched this off FB


SCOMO I may stand alone. But, I applaud you. I commend you. I respect you.

& I hope that even if you see one positive post - it will give you the confidence & motivation to keep going. ��
You just stood in front of the Nation, visibly tired & exhausted. You are trying your best, there is no handbook & yet you are expected to have all the answers. In some cases, you're only the messenger.

Everyone is talking as if you're the one to blame for this, that you created this, that you aren't doing enough or that you're doing too much.

People demanding a full lockdown yet rage & blame you for shutting down businesses & manoeuvring towards a lockdown.

People forcing you to shut borders but uproar that you're not allowing people to come home.

People crying that you aren't acting fast enough, yet you aren't giving people enough notice to act.

People blaming you for businesses & services not acting fast enough as if you're the one sitting behind the service desk.

& don't forget it's your fault the Internet & websites aren't working.

People, grown-up adults, asking you to tell them what to do & then ignoring your advice.

Essential employees need you to keep schools open so they can continue to work to help their communities & avoid joining the long line of Centrelink vulnerables, yet everyone else is demanding you to close schools. The advice is schools are open to help the people you depend on! Doctors, nurses, cashiers etc. If you don't want to send your kids, DONT.

People in the comfort of their armchairs, abusing you for not enforcing systems to keep them safe yet complain when you do enforce them.

You have received backlash from every direction, every angle, in every form - from strangers who have never even seen you in person. They have no consideration for your own personal struggles or understanding of how much work you're doing behind the scenes.

I see it, it's all over social media. It's on my own personal newsfeed. Yet some of these people, have never worked a day in their life, some of these people have just had their allowances doubled yet still demand more, some of the people disregard any form of regulations, some of these people want you to do all the work for them.

Yet, despite all of that, here you are - You are fronting every single ****ing day. You don't get holidays or a home time. You have been working night & day to implement systems to help people. Your people.

You are granting millions of dollars of assistance to people to help them in this crisis. Rent relief, allowances, business grants, pushing for mortgage pauses! You are implementing systems under other peoples advice. You are remaining calm, even though you may be shaking on the inside.

Droughts, Floods, Bush fires & now Covid - 19. Most Prime Ministers haven't dealt with half of it.

I know it's hard, but keep going. Those who would never want to stand in your shoes, appreciate you. ��

From Me, An independent Fifo Wife & protective Mother.

Who waved her husband goodbye on Sunday, not knowing when I'll see him next. He won't travel or risk transmission. He'll stay there to work for us, so we have a roof over our head & to avoid falling into a pit where thousands of people need help.

We know while we are able, we will continue pushing on & fighting, so other people who need help, get it.

Stay safe everyone & remember this too will pass ��

Top post mate. Thanks for putting that up
The way I look at it is I’m sure there have been many areas that we would do things differently with hindsight , there’s going to be plenty of time to review all that later. It’s easy for all of us to armchair review all this mess sitting in the cheap seats...much harder to make the calls in the hot seat. The fact is we are here, we all move forward from this point and work with what we have. Stay well up there Ok?

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by Cav

I pinched this off FB


SCOMO I may stand alone. But, I applaud you. I commend you. I respect you.

& I hope that even if you see one positive post - it will give you the confidence & motivation to keep going. 🍂
You just stood in front of the Nation, visibly tired & exhausted. You are trying your best, there is no handbook & yet you are expected to have all the answers. In some cases, you're only the messenger.

Everyone is talking as if you're the one to blame for this, that you created this, that you aren't doing enough or that you're doing too much.

People demanding a full lockdown yet rage & blame you for shutting down businesses & manoeuvring towards a lockdown.

People forcing you to shut borders but uproar that you're not allowing people to come home.

People crying that you aren't acting fast enough, yet you aren't giving people enough notice to act.

People blaming you for businesses & services not acting fast enough as if you're the one sitting behind the service desk.

& don't forget it's your fault the Internet & websites aren't working.

People, grown-up adults, asking you to tell them what to do & then ignoring your advice.

Essential employees need you to keep schools open so they can continue to work to help their communities & avoid joining the long line of Centrelink vulnerables, yet everyone else is demanding you to close schools. The advice is schools are open to help the people you depend on! Doctors, nurses, cashiers etc. If you don't want to send your kids, DONT.

People in the comfort of their armchairs, abusing you for not enforcing systems to keep them safe yet complain when you do enforce them.

You have received backlash from every direction, every angle, in every form - from strangers who have never even seen you in person. They have no consideration for your own personal struggles or understanding of how much work you're doing behind the scenes.

I see it, it's all over social media. It's on my own personal newsfeed. Yet some of these people, have never worked a day in their life, some of these people have just had their allowances doubled yet still demand more, some of the people disregard any form of regulations, some of these people want you to do all the work for them.

Yet, despite all of that, here you are - You are fronting every single ****ing day. You don't get holidays or a home time. You have been working night & day to implement systems to help people. Your people.

You are granting millions of dollars of assistance to people to help them in this crisis. Rent relief, allowances, business grants, pushing for mortgage pauses! You are implementing systems under other peoples advice. You are remaining calm, even though you may be shaking on the inside.

Droughts, Floods, Bush fires & now Covid - 19. Most Prime Ministers haven't dealt with half of it.

I know it's hard, but keep going. Those who would never want to stand in your shoes, appreciate you. 🍀

From Me, An independent Fifo Wife & protective Mother.

Who waved her husband goodbye on Sunday, not knowing when I'll see him next. He won't travel or risk transmission. He'll stay there to work for us, so we have a roof over our head & to avoid falling into a pit where thousands of people need help.

We know while we are able, we will continue pushing on & fighting, so other people who need help, get it.

Stay safe everyone & remember this too will pass 🌻

This message or post should be placed at the top of every page in this thread from now on so that people can read... and re-read and then read it again, till it finally sinks in to their small minded self absorb'd head and realise the people at the helm are doing their job at hand in such a crisis.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

This message or post should be placed at the top of every page in this thread from now on so that people can read... and re-read and then read it again, till it finally sinks in to their small minded self absorb'd head and realise the people at the helm are doing their job at hand in such a crisis.

Yeah right, an independent FIFO workers wife who probably sits at home on her couch playing with her toddlers while ordering her essentials online for home delivery using Hubby's credit card.

Give me a break.

Easy to sit back and talk **** when your not standing in the centerlink lines or listening to families and educators at their coal face.

[b0son]

The issue is that we know what the experts say, and it contradicts the government's approach. They're taking us for fools when they say they are consulting with experts when it's clear they're not.

I'm on a FB group with people modelling the disease progression, most of whom work in healthcare, and there isn't one person that thinks the government is doing a good job. Many are scared of whats coming in the next 2-3 weeks and disappointed because it was largely avoidable.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by b0son

The issue is that we know what the experts say, and it contradicts the government's approach. They're taking us for fools when they say they are consulting with experts when it's clear they're not.

I'm on a FB group with people modelling the disease progression, most of whom work in healthcare, and there isn't one person that thinks the government is doing a good job. Many are scared of whats coming in the next 2-3 weeks and disappointed because it was largely avoidable.

You are on facebook,so the opinions expressed there will be far and above the advice given by professenly advised govt officials

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

You are on facebook,so the opinions expressed there will be far and above the advice given by professenly advised govt officials

The people on that group are researchers and professionals in healthcare. Its not a mothers club.

I have my own model, and its been correct to within 10-20 cases for the last 2 weeks. We are on track to exceed ICU capacity in around 2 weeks, 3 if this weeks measures have any significant impact.

Advise your at-risk loved ones to isolate.. totally isolate. Make a plan to get them food etc. If they fall ill much later than a month from now, their prospects for receiving adequate care will be greatly diminished.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by b0son

The people on that group are researchers and professionals in healthcare. Its not a mothers club.

I have my own model, and its been correct to within 10-20 cases for the last 2 weeks. We are on track to exceed ICU capacity in around 2 weeks, 3 if this weeks measures have any significant impact.

Advise your at-risk loved ones to isolate.. totally isolate. Make a plan to get them food etc. If they fall ill much later than a month from now, their prospects for receiving adequate care will be greatly diminished.

And this I completely agree. The government should have enforced this 6 weeks ago.

[fordomatic]

Hard times coming for most Australian's no matter the circumstances. Can see a lot of hate, anger and confusion in this thread.

Just remember we are all in this together. Also remember that you can make your own informed decisions, you don't need the government to make them for you, if you want to stay at home and have a plan then do it, you are not sheep.

Educate your family and friends on why you are doing what you are doing. For example, my elderly mum reckoned she was going to bingo yesterday in her country town because her doctor said COVID19 is nothing to worry about. Yeh nah mum, you are staying home.

All the best everyone.

[five 7]

Just watched his speech, from a outsider looking in it did not inspire much confidence, all i could make out was he's forming commissions from the old boys network, that all takes time which you don't have. They have no plan, just sounds like they are clutching at straws. He needs to take leadership of this and make some hard decisions. If the lemons running NZ can figure it out, with how they handled this crisis in under a week and a half, your mob should be able to, we have every one on board from banks, tax, employers, you name it every one has come to the party, plus no major job loss, your employer can access funds from Govt. As of to night NZ is shut for the next month.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by five 7

Just watched his speech, from a outsider looking in it did not inspire much confidence, all i could make out was he's forming commissions from the old boys network, that all takes time which you don't have. They have no plan, just sounds like they are clutching at straws. He needs to take leadership of this and make some hard decisions. If the lemons running NZ can figure it out, with how they handled this crisis in under a week and a half your mob should be able to, we have every one on board from banks, tax, employers, you name it every one has come to the party, plus no major job loss, your employer can access funds from Govt. As of to night NZ is shut for the next month.

I agree completely.

If you asked me even a week ago I thought we we're moving towards complete lockdown but understood that as a nation we would struggle to comprehend how that looks and so it needed to be done in increments and the first stage of this announced over the weekend certainly confirmed that for me, but the stuff he came out with last night just sapped any confidence I had in him, he's clearly not prepared to make the hard decisions and would prefer to only confuse the situation and gamble economics against peoples lives.