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10:30PM MARCH 12, 2024 Motoring body’s reality plug for Chris Bowen’s ‘go electric’ plan By GEOFF CHAMBERS CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT and JOE KELLY NATIONAL AFFAIRS EDITOR Quote:
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There's something in there for everyone, weeks of stoushes, ALP vs Coalition vs Industry body vs ALP vs Greens (wha?) vs NRMA vs electric vehicle lobby vs RACV vs Bowen vs different economic modeling agencies
If the Greens torpedo it, then Coalition and industry body wins (wha?), if it goes ahead we get toward Net Zero and then immediately don't as we import another 700,000 people whose CO2 outputs then heighten to our average levels as of surburban sprawl requiring cars + flatscreen lifestyle... Coalition could have a field day with 'don't let them take our (Thai) utes!'
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"This will require companies such as Ford, Hyundai, MG, Nissan, Holden and Toyota to sell increasingly more electric cars and hybrids in Australia to offset emissions from their petrol fleet"
Whose this Holden company ?? Typical Oz reporting. |
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They want better outcomes for the environment then when the government tries to implement something that the Greens want they threaten to torpedo it if they don't get their way on something unrelated to the issue at hand. I understand why they do it, if you want legislation through parliament then you have to come to the table on this other thing - but sinking legislation that benefits the environment without proposing amendments or an alternative solution is a bit hypocritical when you market yourself as the political party that cares about the environment. Again, it just proves my point that just because they're a minority it doesn't mean that they don't hold disproportionate power compared to their numbers and they wield significant ability to implement their ideas. We live in interesting times, we've all got front row tickets to this shitshow rollercoaster but I want to hop off ![]() |
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Not car related but an Animal First member together with one or two other independents elected by preferences only, had the balance of power when the vote was made for an injecting room near a primary school in an inner city suburb and yet this politician doesn't live anywhere near the affected area, in fact in a rural region, came into parliament on a one cause platform, yet can control the lives of the vast majority that DIDN'T vote for her. On reading some of the submissions from Toyota and now Nissan which includes a request to include ADR reform (as in removal) hopefully the fed government makes a more informed and more widely accepted final decision. |
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Bugga wasting your vote on these fringe useless small parties incl the green, luckily they have learnt and get it yet they get influence from their friends/coherts. Its a waste of time and you'll pay for it more and more in the future till its too late to change. Dr Smith more good points I concur. Even though the 2 leading parties if I can describe them as such are sess pools themselves today voters walking from them has caused alot of what come to us. It also reduces the accountabilty voters used to have come voting. Preferences keeps the more idiots in who block changes and more so help one the leading parties get through with a minority. Its useless leadership and even saying that is a joke.
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The only state which still uses the 'group voting ticket' is Victoria in our state elections and only for our upper house, where if you vote above the line the party dictates where your vote goes, not you. You can completely avoid this by simply voting below the line ![]() The reason we are ending up with all these little parties and independents in power is that people are simply voting for other options rather than the two majors in enough numbers to create these situations - its not unique to Australia either where one group doesn't have absolute control. I think those days are over for Australia, last federal election the majors only got something like in the low 30s on first preference votes, the 'two party preferred' system is simply out of date and no longer applicable for how Australians now vote on election day. Also its the changing of electorates, not the total number of votes that makes the difference, if you're in a swinging/marginal electorate then you'll get everything and the kitchen sink thrown at you, if you're one of the plebs who lives in a safe seat like Calwell, then you'll get absolutely nothing because they vote like plebs and the major that holds it has a massive margin so they don't need to do anything for these people what so ever, because they win by default all the time, so you can continually take from these people and there's no repercussions. Try shaft the people in a teal electorate and see what happens, it'll change colours quicker than your bowels after Indian. If you look at the makeup of Victoria's upper house, the state government can't get legislation through unless they negotiate with all these micro parties, so thats why during COVID if anyone was paying attention, for the state government to get its way they had to meet these little microparties on issues that they thought was important to secure their support to get extensions on lockdowns or legislation through the upper house and all these deals were made. If the two majors want to stop this situation from occuring then they need to stop being flogs, then they won't be bleeding primary votes like they've been stabbed in the neck. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 13-03-2024 at 06:12 PM. |
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Rod Barton, Fiona Patten and Andy Meddick essentially have full and total control of Victorian legislation. Like you mention, the "safe" injecting room (as someone with a heroin addict uncle I really resent that one) comes to mind, and the 2021 pandemic bill too.
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well I must be in a minority then. I'm glad we have independents. the big two are so full of useless self serving shits it's good to have someone who can use their position to try and force some actual change!
I didn't see too many people complaining here when Ricky Muir was elected with 0.51% of the primary vote |
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Agreed
In federal politics I think independent David Pocock does a super job. Jackie Lambie is another goodie Wilkie Katter another two. |
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Edit: For some light entertainment, look up the spat between Ricky Muir and Glenn Druery that happened after Muir was "voted" in, it's pretty funny.
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Make it three on the federal level (given the usual three year gap between federal elections) and you’re on to a winner.
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There is no good voting system in the world imo, but we do have one of the better ones. Perhaps there should simply be a cutoff before the votes are preferenced? If you don't get 5% of the primary, then you don't progress? |
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One that flies under the radar is how the political parties endorse and run candidates in local government elections and interfere here too - our friend in Yarra Council with her hate for American utes and Thailand Specials is endorsed by The Greens.
I basically got made 'unwelcome' from a major political party and forced out, because I contested a local council election against their preferred candidate in a **** take, then refused to preference their horse in the race, because they asked me to and I told them to GAGF. She still won anyway ![]() Her claim to fame is putting out an anti nuclear weapons proliferation policy on behalf of our council, when the grass on the side of the road is up to my shoulders, in a bushfire region. You know, something our council actually has the ability to control. Last time I checked my local council does not operate any nuclear weapons systems, nor has any influence over US/UK/Russia/China/Iran/India/Pakistan/Israel's governments to get them to throw in the towel on their nuclear weapons. Under a local council I lead, we will have a submarine base and a fleet of SLBMs, located in Sanatorium Lake for maximum effectiveness. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 14-03-2024 at 10:27 PM. |
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That's what happens when the federal government governs for inner western Sydney
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If you have to vote 1 2 3 4 that is corruption in fact, for one may not like 2 3 4 etc but one should always have the right to vote for just 1 period ! or 2 etc as you wish and never ever have to vote 1 2 3 4 that is a cunning game trick that they play on the voters. What if Hitler or one you totally despised like the Greens was on the card, out of the 4 you must vote for, they are forcing one to give credit to such, when you do not want to at all ! |
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Queensland used to have optional preferential voting. Of course, as soon as Labor were elected they needed to shore up their majority by introducing compulsory preferential voting - that way, the 90%+ of Greens votes that preference Labor will benefit them. If the Crisafulli government takes power, I hope that sanity prevails and optional preferential voting is reintroduced. The other major Anglosphere country with a loose informal left-wing coalition is Canada, and surprise surprise, their prime minister has advocated for compulsory ranked choice voting. Thankfully it has not gotten up and they still have first past the post over there. As an aside - Labor in Queensland have a long history of manipulating the electoral system for their benefit. They abolished the Legislative Council in 1922, as soon as they were able to field a majority in both houses. Of course, this all seems hilarious considering that for years upon years that side of politics bleated about Joh Bjelke-Petersen's supposed "gerrymandering"...while completely ignoring that Labor themselves introduced the apportionment system in the 1940s when they dominated rural areas.
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That may be true Mr. Gas but what does that make Victoria? The blue haired step-they/them?
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It was axed because it was an un-elected house of parliament, who has the final say on any legislation introduced by the legislative assembly, entirely appointed by their governor, rather than appointed by the vote of Queenslanders, and it was usually given to people from wealthy families, and half the people never turned up anyway. If people think Victoria's upper house is an absolute clown show, imagine what it would be like if we didn't even have a say and it was appointed by our governor (who is chosen by our premier) ![]() I'd rather have the upper house, but if we can't elect who sits in it then they can GAGF and it can disappear like QLD. Though if I was Victoria's premier you bet your *** I'd be pushing for QLD's old legislative council, first thing I'd do is pick a governor on the proviso they stack the upper house with people who will do what I say. Governor is a pretty sweet gig, you get paid $485,000/year to do ceremonial shit, get an office and staff, a residence in amongst Kings Domain and no one knows who you are or what you actually do. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 25-03-2024 at 10:27 PM. |
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Of course, the issue would be that even elected members may vote contrary to the Assembly's wishes... They actually did it in a really nasty way, they first tried to abolish by referendum but that was resoundingly voted against. Then they increased the size of the chamber by 14, and what do you know, all the appointments were Labor members and they all happened to vote themselves out of existence a moment later ![]()
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https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...andard-145199/
"Government waters down fuel efficiency standard Broad support for revised New Vehicle Efficiency Standard after car industry wins concessions for large diesel-powered SUVs and utes Bowing to pressure from Australia’s biggest car-makers and industry lobby groups, the federal government has made crucial concessions with its proposed New Vehicle Efficiency Standard (NVES). The key concession will see large SUVs held to the same emissions targets as light commercial vehicles (LCVs)."
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Haha too funny and rejoice the egg on face
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It's amusing and now we know officially that ladder on frame SUVs really are light commercial vehicles...
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Bars of soap handle better than an unladen Hoylux Workmate.
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