VFACTS Dec 2023 and full year

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It’s just “noise” that rises up every few years but the truth is that there’s a conspiracy of silence.
It all goes back to when the ATO basically gave up on log book records because of the surveillance costs,
it’s much cheaper for the ATO to accept a statutory declaration for vehicle operators than to
comb through literally millions of manual log books every tax season.

Until there’s some form of enforced electronic gps vehicle monitoring, the system is not going to change.
The UK stopped all of this by making dual cab commercials subject to FBT, only single cab and super cab qualify.


Sorry I missed this the other day. The manual trans battle was lost decades ago and I’m surprised no one noticed..

My comments were both sarcastic and specifically aimed at the complaint of no manual trans Rangers.
Ford don’t care about the manual sales they are missing out on, just the 9,800 odd automatics they sold last month.

Watch what will happen, media scrutiny, the federal government will intervene when there's political pressure around it.

They won't start logbooks, they'll just remove the tax advantages on Thailand Specials.

All it takes is a stroke of a pen and the party ends and that pen is getting closer and closer to being picked up, just like bringing forward the review of the Australian Standards on fuel quality and investigating the introduction of mandatory fuel efficiency standards.

kevino wasn't talking about manual Rangers, he's been a constant customer of Ford for their manual small Euro hatchbacks over the years, then they stopped offering manual euro hatchbacks, so he went to Skoda, then he's come back under the Ford brand with a DSG Puma with gritted teeth

Same as my family, went to Hyundai as Ford no longer offers new cars that my family buys.

Losing a lot of little sales here and there, thats how you end up being a car company that sells two vehicles, of which the biggest seller the customers are being incentivised by tax advantages, which can disappear tomorrow and greatly shift the dynamics of the new car market.

If the government is going to intervene in the market with incentives to promote customers to buy a particular product over the others, then you can't have this discussion without involving parliament house, Ford Australia, its Ranger sales and Canberra are joined at the hip.

Yes, its going to effect Toyota and their Hilux sales, but look at Toyota's total sales - not a two horse race like Ford Australia is, they have significantly more sales because they offer 20+ options to our market.

Back in the says of the EF Falcon when Ford Australia were last in number 1, what was the model breakdown of their sales, how many different vehicles did they offer to the market?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Watch what will happen, media scrutiny, the federal government will intervene when there's political pressure around it.

They won't start logbooks, they'll just remove the tax advantages on Thailand Specials.

All it takes is a stroke of a pen and the party ends and that pen is getting closer and closer to being picked up, just like bringing forward the review of the Australian Standards on fuel quality and investigating the introduction of mandatory fuel efficiency standards.

kevino wasn't talking about manual Rangers, he's been a constant customer of Ford for their manual small Euro hatchbacks over the years, then they stopped offering manual euro hatchbacks, so he went to Skoda, then he's come back under the Ford brand with a DSG Puma with gritted teeth

Same as my family, went to Hyundai as Ford no longer offers new cars that my family buys.

Losing a lot of little sales here and there, thats how you end up being a car company that sells two vehicles, of which the biggest seller the customers are being incentivised by tax advantages, which can disappear tomorrow and greatly shift the dynamics of the new car market.

If the government is going to intervene in the market with incentives to promote customers to buy a particular product over the others, then you can't have this discussion without involving parliament house, Ford Australia, its Ranger sales and Canberra are joined at the hip.

Yes, its going to effect Toyota and their Hilux sales, but look at Toyota's total sales - not a two horse race like Ford Australia is, they have significantly more sales because they offer 20+ options to our market.

Back in the says of the EF Falcon when Ford Australia were last in number 1, what was the model breakdown of their sales, how many different vehicles did they offer to the market?

You’re missing the point,
you can’t remove the tax provision for work related travel and transport of “tools”.<—-LOL, so true

If you make the dual cab Utes non-FBT vehicles, they still are fleet vehicles so it’s back to the 1990s
and 12 weeks of log books to establish business usage and the tax department wading though literally
hundreds and thousands of records trying to find anomalies that are never gonna show…
Everyone has done this dance before, it achieves nothing and just gums up the tax department
with more compliance checkers and costs that probably won’t be recouped…

As I said previously, electronic vehicle monitoring will stop much of this.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Yes, its going to effect Toyota and their Hilux sales, but look at Toyota's total sales - not a two horse race like Ford Australia is, they have significantly more sales because they offer 20+ options to our market.

Back in the says of the EF Falcon when Ford Australia were last in number 1, what was the model breakdown of their sales, how many different vehicles did they offer to the market?

If Toyota lost ALL Hilux sales for 2023, they would STILL be number 1 seller of the year at just over 154k vehicles. Its what happens when you have a whole range of vehicles, that actually sell. Its something concerning with Ford. Sure while things are good and they are selling a ton of Rangers its all sunshine and lollypops but if the a$$ falls out they don't have other models to fall back on....

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

If Toyota lost ALL Hilux sales for 2023, they would STILL be number 1 seller of the year at just over 154k vehicles. It’s what happens when you have a whole range of vehicles, that actually sell. It’s something concerning with Ford

Absolutely and it’s to do with the dysfunction of Dearborn that it sees our RHD market as a subset of Ford UK.
That’s simply because it couldn’t be f’ed making additional RHD models for our market, heck we can’t even
get enough of the ones that Ford Europe is supposed to be supplying us.

Sure while things are good and they are selling a ton of Rangers it’s all sunshine and lollypops but if the a$$ falls out they don't have other models to fall back on....

What else is Ford Australia to do if it can’t get other vehicles to sell?
Many people default to the proverb, “Don’t put all your eggs in one basket”
I would argue that’s what Holden did and look what happened to them.

No Ford Australia was right to double down on Ranger/Everest and really push them
because not doing so when you have nothing else to sell is the quick road out of business.
Many other Ford vehicles that would interest Australian buyers are simply not available

[lra]

Originally Posted by jpd80

What else is Ford Australia to do if it can’t get other vehicles to sell?
Many people default to the proverb, “Don’t put all your eggs in one basket”
I would argue that’s what Holden did and look what happened to them.

No. It is not what Holden did.

It is what GM forced on Holden ( GM HQ knows it all ). ****boxes from Korea, (young bloke doesn't want a car like what his father had ), and a fully imported German Commodore, and imported Mexican SUVs.
Now, GM are running around looking for their backside in the dark, while sales slide and their EVs break down 100 yards from the dealer showroom.

Bob Lutz, take bow. You done good.
Mary Barra, Mark Reuss, don't take a bow, you have done ****house.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by lra

No. It is not what Holden did.

It is what GM forced on Holden ( GM HQ knows it all ). ****boxes from Korea, (young bloke doesn't want a car like what his father had ), and a fully imported German Commodore, and imported Mexican SUVs.
Now, GM are running around looking for their backside in the dark, while sales slide and their EVs break down 100 yards from the dealer showroom.

Bob Lutz, take bow. You done good.
Mary Barra, Mark Reuss, don't take a bow, you have done ****house.

Really doesn’t bother me either way, Holden had no plan B, ZB failed as we all expected and the rest followed.