Air Bag Memory Catches a Speeder Out

[aussiblue]

http://www.fordforums.com.au/photos/...hp?photo=64739

From http://www.motormuseumofwa.asn.au/index.php/musings

[XR Martin]

Lesson from this is to set fire to your car if you've crashed due to stupidity.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Lesson from this is to set fire to your car if you've crashed due to stupidity.

No , the lesson here is not to do almost 100 klm/h in a 50 zone in the 1st place.....

[EDManual]

I dont think thats true, as if you are speeding you are still insured.

Like, if you go through a stop sign and crash, you are also still insured.

Drink/drug and Drive is different though, but thats the only exception apparently

[SensationFG8]

You may want to read your PDS EDManual.

Every insurance company I've ever been with has a nice paragraph about illegal activities voiding their cover.

[Road Games]

Reminds me of the sickening pic's of a fatality, smashed Xr6 with the speedo stuck on 190 and 4500rpm ..

Be safe guys ....

[mik]

All these little computers everywhere, if you do something dumb and come unstuck, you are going to be in world of pain.
they could probably look at your travels if you had the gps running on your smart phone too, big brother really is watching.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

You may want to read your PDS EDManual.

Every insurance company I've ever been with has a nice paragraph about illegal activities voiding their cover.

Well that means they would get out of paying in any crash. You have to break some sort of law to have a crash. Run a stop sign, illegal u turn, pull out in front of a car and so on.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by XR6menace

Reminds me of the sickening pic's of a fatality, smashed Xr6 with the speedo stuck on 190 and 4500rpm ..

Be safe guys ....

sickening pics yes but I still cant see how a speedo & taco can stick at the time of impact. they are electronic

[Jastel]

Pretty sure the Police need a warrant for Ford to download this stuff, they wont be issued for every crash.
But once you make an insurance claim for a write off the insurer owns the car so maybe they can do what they like....

[aussiblue]

Well that means they would get out of paying in any crash. You have to break some sort of law to have a crash. Run a stop sign, illegal u turn, pull out in front of a car and so on.

No; in the RAC Policy see Page 21 http://rac.com.au/insurance/product-...otor-insurance it is covered by the

...in a manner which involves deliberate exposure to exceptional danger or any wilful or deliberate act ...

or in layman's language "being totally bloody stupid".

[arronm]

The moral is. If you go on big brother don't take your air bag???

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

sickening pics yes but I still cant see how a speedo & taco can stick at the time of impact. they are electronic

because they are electronic the controllers that control them can tell them to hold under certain circumstances. Like say a massive G force event!
Tell-tale exists in plenty of electronic equipment, why not in OEM Auto gauges.

JP

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

because they are electronic the controllers that control them can tell them to hold under certain circumstances. Like say a massive G force event!
Tell-tale exists in plenty of electronic equipment, why not in OEM Auto gauges.

JP

So when an airbag deploys for instance?

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

So when an airbag deploys for instance?

yep or a 'g sensor' detects a big g force, like hitting something harder than the thing the sensor is in!

My cars old CD player had one, my aftermarket gauges have them too

JP

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by aussiblue

No; in the RAC Policy see Page 21 http://rac.com.au/insurance/product-...otor-insurance it is covered by the

or in layman's language "being totally bloody stupid".

Yeah, I had a look at mine, basically said "deliberate misuse of vehicle"

So I doubt they would refuse a payout if you are found to be breaking the limit a little

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by EDManual

I dont think thats true, as if you are speeding you are still insured.

Like, if you go through a stop sign and crash, you are also still insured.

Drink/drug and Drive is different though, but thats the only exception apparently

I'd say it's more because he lied on his report, therefor they voided his claim.

[Road Games]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

sickening pics yes but I still cant see how a speedo & taco can stick at the time of impact. they are electronic

Ok so can ya see now ???

[Road Games]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

because they are electronic the controllers that control them can tell them to hold under certain circumstances. Like say a massive G force event!
Tell-tale exists in plenty of electronic equipment, why not in OEM Auto gauges.

JP

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by Jastel

Pretty sure the Police need a warrant for Ford to download this stuff, they wont be issued for every crash.
But once you make an insurance claim for a write off the insurer owns the car so maybe they can do what they like....

Why would they needs a warrant. In nsw after a fatality all vehicles involved are impounded and in the police custody. They can do and download what they want.

[commodorenutt]

The instruments in modern cars are not mechanical with a spring return like the old gauges were.

They are in effect a sort of stepper motor type system, where the needle is moved by a small geared motor, both up, and down the scale.
If you remove power, the needle stays where it was last moved to.

Hence a hit big enough to sever the battery cables (or damage the battery enough to stop it from supplying power to the car's systems) will see the speedo & tacho freeze where they were when the power was cut.


Most SRS airbag systems have a capacitor in the control module that has enough grunt in it to trigger the airbags if the battery power fails prior to needing to trigger them.

[Jastel]

Originally Posted by devilcv8

Why would they needs a warrant. In nsw after a fatality all vehicles involved are impounded and in the police custody. They can do and download what they want.

A fatality would be treated differently for sure, the OP was just a write off.

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by Jastel

A fatality would be treated differently for sure, the OP was just a write off.

Serious accidents can still result in the car being impounded.

[sexyxe]

In regards to the speedo debate, I cant detail any more on cars, as I'm no expert. But in planes and choppers there have been instances where aircraft haven't had black boxes and they determine the aircrafts speed, rate of descent, configuration etc by impact marks on the inside of the instruments glass. When you crash, the huge g forces cause the needle yo slap the glass, leaving a microscopic indent. Has worked for the aviation industry in the past

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by XR6menace

Ok so can ya see now ???
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Yes I've seen this picture before..

[Grunter]

Apparently called EDR - Event Data Recorder.

The below from a Jeep manual. But looking into it, most manufacturers have had this since the early 2000's, including Ford.

EVENT DATA RECORDER (EDR) • This vehicle is equipped with an event data recorder (EDR). The main purpose of an EDR is to record, in certain crash or near crash-like situations, such as an air bag deployment or hitting a road obstacle, data that will assist in understanding how a vehicle's systems performed. The EDR is designed to record data related to vehicle dynamics and safety systems for a short period of time, typically 30 seconds or less. The EDR in this vehicle is designed to record such data as:

• How various systems in your vehicle were operating;
• Whether or not the driver and passenger safety belts were buckled/fastened;
• How far (if at all) the driver was depressing the accelerator and/or brake pedal; and,
• How fast the vehicle was traveling.

This data can help provide a better understanding of the circumstances in which crashes and injuries occur.

NOTE: EDR data are recorded by your vehicle only if a non-trivial crash situation occurs; no data are recorded by the EDR under normal driving conditions and no personal data (e.g. name, gender, age, and crash location) are recorded. However, other parties, such as law enforcement, could combine the EDR data with the type of personally identifying data routinely acquired during a crash investigation.

• To read data recorded by an EDR, special equipment is required, and access to the vehicle or the EDR is needed. In addition to the vehicle manufacturer, other parties such as law enforcement, that have the special equipment, can read the information if they have access to the vehicle or the EDR.

And this pdf lists manufacturers and models (US by the looks of it) that have EDR. http://www.rimkus.com/uploads/pdfs/E...a_Recorder.pdf

[Road Games]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Yes I've seen this picture before..

Well thanks for wasting my time trawling bookface and digging it up to post it for you ...

pretty sure you alluded to that is was not possible now you say you have already seen it