NBN Pricing

cheap · 21-07-2011, 08:15 PM

NBN (you know that thing "we" (the tax paying members of society) are subsidising to the tune of at least $38,000,000,000 .... $38 Billion) well Internode has just released its NBN pricing...

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/tec...721-1hqbn.html

I guess if you've inherited lots of money or won a substantial lotto division, then these prices will probably work for you, for everyone else it would seem a tad unrealistic.

Still you'd have to wonder what the NBN pricing would be without the $38,000,000,000 tax payers money to make it "affordable".

If you look closely and rearrange the NBN letter you get HUGE FLAMMIN RIPOFF! go figure???

flappist · 21-07-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cheap

NBN (you know that thing "we" (the tax paying members of society) are subsidising to the tune of at least $38,000,000,000 .... $38 Billion) well Internode has just released its NBN pricing...

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/tec...721-1hqbn.html

I guess if you've inherited lots of money or won a substantial lotto division, then these prices will probably work for you, for everyone else it would seem a tad unrealistic.

Still you'd have to wonder what the NBN pricing would be without the $38,000,000,000 tax payers money to make it "affordable".

If you look closely and rearrange the NBN letter you get HUGE FLAMMIN RIPOFF! go figure???

Then stick with your ADSL........

Spudz27 · 21-07-2011, 09:03 PM

Nothing expensive about it to me. Here in the country I pay $110pm for my net and voip at 8mbps with 100gb, it is supposed to be 20mbps but even when I was with telstra the fastest I could get was 12mbps. So if it is only $119 and I can get 100mbps, even 50mbps it is worth it in my eyes. Unfortunitely you city folk are used to not paying much for internet at all, so I think it is about time you can pay what the rest of us have to lol.

GTpilot · 21-07-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cheap

NBN (you know that thing "we" (the tax paying members of society) are subsidising to the tune of at least $38,000,000,000 .... $38 Billion) well Internode has just released its NBN pricing...

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/tec...721-1hqbn.html

I guess if you've inherited lots of money or won a substantial lotto division, then these prices will probably work for you, for everyone else it would seem a tad unrealistic.

Still you'd have to wonder what the NBN pricing would be without the $38,000,000,000 tax payers money to make it "affordable".

If you look closely and rearrange the NBN letter you get HUGE FLAMMIN RIPOFF! go figure???

Think its time you crawled out from under that rock and take a look around.
It's quite obvious to me you have no idea what you are talking about on this topic.

FGII-XR6 · 21-07-2011, 09:20 PM

looks like good value to me I would get double my current data with significantly faster throughput for the same price I'm paying now

Gobes32 · 21-07-2011, 09:40 PM

I currently pay Optus $79 a month for Adsl2 that averages 2.2mb/s and 120gb of data, plus unlimited local calls. The NBN would have to be very attractive price wise for me to want to leave my current provider.

mr smith · 21-07-2011, 09:48 PM

While our hospitals are bleeding dry at least we can have quick porn. This is another stupid waste of money.

naddis01 · 21-07-2011, 09:57 PM

But you will be able to see a doctor from home with the NBN. (thats a joke by the way for those playing at home)

mondo_broady · 21-07-2011, 10:01 PM

maybe you should stop downloading porn and look further into the future than 5min... or maybe you'd like to be back in the 1950's with the mad monk?? also i believe the feds tried to take the hospitals off the states hands and the states knocked it back...

peterr · 21-07-2011, 10:02 PM

We have little option but to sign up to something,the copper lines that carry our adsl and phone will be take out of serive once the cable is ready.The take up will be high,which the government will say see told you so look at all those who have taken it up,but that is only counting those who have the cable put into there homes at the time the cable is laid.Would much rather see the money going in to health, oh yes i recall someone saying no more buck passing we are from Queensland and we are here to help.

mr smith · 21-07-2011, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mondo_broady

maybe you should stop downloading porn and look further into the future than 5min... or maybe you'd like to be back in the 1950's with the mad monk?? also i believe the feds tried to take the hospitals off the states hands and the states knocked it back...

All I see is the ability to down load movies and music quicker. big deal, and what if people side step it and go wireless?
Please enlighten us with the real benefits.

mondo_broady · 21-07-2011, 10:30 PM

there's more than enough info out there on the benefits if you bother to look somewhere other than the Murdoch Press or talkback radio for it. business and education will be the ones to benefit the most. wireless cannot sustain the speeds of a fibre network and copper just doesn't cut it. it's obviously more convenient to politicize it...

as for the topic, NBN pricing, for $10/month more than i pay now, i can get 10 times the speed i get now...

Maggot · 21-07-2011, 10:36 PM

Companies in Perth that are lucky enough to have internet at all are paying $950 per month for 2M/2M (bdsl multiplex telstra).

I know of companies that have to either have a vivid wireless shared between 25 staff members.. or fork out for 12grand for a m/wave install.

And this is all within 20km of the cbd.

So the pricing being advertised is not that bad.

z80 · 21-07-2011, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Maggot

Companies in Perth that are lucky enough to have internet at all are paying $950 per month for 2M/2M (bdsl multiplex telstra).

I know of companies that have to either have a vivid wireless shared between 25 staff members.. or fork out for 12grand for a m/wave install.

And this is all within 20km of the cbd.

So the pricing being advertised is not that bad.

Sounds like a ripoff.

mines 150 a month for this speed...same as the NBN already in melbourne.

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cheap · 21-07-2011, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GTpilot

Think its time you crawled out from under that rock and take a look around.
It's quite obvious to me you have no idea what you are talking about on this topic.

So what practical benefit will NBN provide over ADSL/2 @ 4-12mbps?

Perhaps:

Twitter will be improved?
or
Youtube videos will they stream better?
or
Facebook will be more fun?
or
Gaming?
or
Downloading is that the benefit?
or
Emails will these become more intelligent?
or
Banking, finance. goggle, ebay, fordforums?
or
Maybe you know of some critical business application that must have these "so called high speeds". I'd be interested in knowing which applications they are, I've been involved with implementing high definition medical images (X-Rays) from hospital to hospital, using high speed (10Gb dark fibre) bandwidth. Surprisingly, it isn't bandwidth that is the issue with these applications, yet that is exactly the type of justification being used for the NBN.

So don't be shy, what am I missing? Help me (and other knuckle-draggers) understand...can you do this without petty insults?

landau460 · 22-07-2011, 06:36 AM

This needs to be put into somesort of perspective. Like most are saying but what about the hospitals and putting the money there sound like a good idea to me but, i'm sure there is a better place than NBN of a cost of some 38 billion that is sure to blow out. When also lookin down at a possible recession, if that makes any differance to the whole matter.

There are things like road upgrades rail networks what ever else they could think of surely than making another destraction to life than the internet. Yeah it gets us this great forum, gaming, emailing, video links, downloads, uploads, that are doing it fine, now we will get it so some doctor in india can prescribe me something to help my hemroids!! Which i believe can be done already.
Then something i don't think we need that much will be forced to use.

Does that mean that if i dont pay to get NBN to my door that i will have to use wireless or are they goner try to can that or better still attach a wire to it and still call it wireless!!

Just sounds like a kid getting a new toy when i hear the arguments from the fores of NBN like a spoilt brat not knowing whats good for him only hearing how much it costs and how fast it goes.

KITBAG · 22-07-2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap

So what practical benefit will NBN provide?

Me, In a job / weekly pay..............

cheap · 22-07-2011, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 87 XF - AU11

Me, In a job / weekly pay..............

Fair enough.

naddis01 · 22-07-2011, 08:30 AM

If I am not mistaken the 38000000000 does not include the 11000000000 that NBN co has to pay Telstra to create their monopoly. So the total is actually closer to 50000000000.

I think I would prefer a health system that actually works and can pay their bills.

350125GO · 22-07-2011, 08:32 AM

Internode is one of the more expensive ISPs that make up for it in service quality, its who I use at the moment. Lets wait and see other companies pricing before we jump in and bash it as a "waste of money". Pretty sure internodes are BOTH telephone/internet bundles as well.

ch33z1l · 22-07-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cheap

So what practical benefit will NBN provide over ADSL/2 @ 4-12mbps?

Videoconferencing capabilities for education, health system and the business sector. In most applications now, a dedicated ADSL connection is needed for there to be any decent quality.

Another 10 benefits here:

http://apcmag.com/life-in-the-nbns-world.htm

flappist · 22-07-2011, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheap

So what practical benefit will NBN provide over ADSL/2 @ 4-12mbps?

Perhaps:

Twitter will be improved?
or
Youtube videos will they stream better?
or
Facebook will be more fun?
or
Gaming?
or
Downloading is that the benefit?
or
Emails will these become more intelligent?
or
Banking, finance. goggle, ebay, fordforums?
or
Maybe you know of some critical business application that must have these "so called high speeds". I'd be interested in knowing which applications they are, I've been involved with implementing high definition medical images (X-Rays) from hospital to hospital, using high speed (10Gb dark fibre) bandwidth. Surprisingly, it isn't bandwidth that is the issue with these applications, yet that is exactly the type of justification being used for the NBN.

So don't be shy, what am I missing? Help me (and other knuckle-draggers) understand...can you do this without petty insults?

Ok, without the insults.......

Explain to me why, in terminology of 1995 (when dsl started), using only applications of the time (no such thing as social networking etc.) why there should be $bazillions spent on a 3G mobile phone system or copper based last mile technology when we had just spent $bazillion on the DMO and implementing RIMs into new developments?

Or better still, why shift from analogue mobile phones to GSM when the analogue had far better range and tolerance to interference?

Some years ago a group of people in a position of influence in the only telco in Australia decided that FAX was of no real use and TELEX would be all people would ever need. They could not think of a situation where TELEX would not be the solution.

Do you think you could explain the advantages of e-mail to a group of 20 year olds in 1975?

The world evolves and those who think ahead are the ones who will shape it....

ch33z1l · 22-07-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

I think I would prefer a health system that actually works and can pay their bills.

GP's will soon be able to refer you for a video-link consultation with a specialist in metro/inner city Sydney, to cut patient accomodation and travel costs. There are some good steps being made, but in saying that, how these steps are being delivered is a bit of a joke.

SB076 · 22-07-2011, 10:13 AM

I cant speak for all of Australia but personally I have seen massive improvements in internet speeds prior the announcement of the NBN and I know I can get faster speeds again if I am willing to pay (my speeds are not as good as Z80 has posted but I pay less, but I can still stream video etc) Therefore would we be better off if we left companies to continue to improve internet speeds without government involvement?

mcnews · 22-07-2011, 10:23 AM

For many regional areas it will make a huge difference. By and large in the city those that are willing to pay for premium internet can get it. In the country the story is different.

Dr Jekkyl · 22-07-2011, 10:40 AM

These prices include a bundled phone service.

Data limits include uploads and downloads.

Comparable to many ADSL plans currently offered.

Most basic plan would suit most homes and represents good value IMO.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 22-07-2011, 10:45 AM

I'm currently on 100Mbps cable so the NBN doesn't have a massive interest to me, although i could do with the upload speed it has. I pay quite a premium for my service but it's still less than the quoted prices. The price will come down over time and i guarantee there will be people charging less than 'node. If you don't want it, stick with ADSL, or get one of the povo plans that The Reject Shop will probably offer. I remember hearing Dodo claim they were going to offer unlimited plans on the NBN too, whether that pans out we'll see.

This is what i'm getting at the moment, it's not a test from today as the speed drops a bit around this time of the day (speed gets to 110+ on closer servers, ping is usually 5 and upload 2.41)

It's all just to do with what you do with the net, and what your background in IT is.

My poor XF · 22-07-2011, 10:58 AM

This is what i have to put up with, bring on the NBN.

gtfpv · 22-07-2011, 11:05 AM

I'm paying $99 per month for 1500 speed 10 gig . Includes local calls withhold aapt . I think I'm getting ripped . I can't get adsl 2 it isn't in my area. + the 1500 speed gets slowed down mores because I am far from the server or something .

**Professor Farnsworth** · 22-07-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

I'm paying $99 per month for 1500 speed 10 gig . Includes local calls withhold aapt . I think I'm getting ripped . I can't get adsl 2 it isn't in my area. + the 1500 speed gets slowed down mores because I am far from the server or something .

go to the Dodo site and test your number for 2+ - there are very few areas they don't service, as they just resell Telstra in a lot of places. Yes people bag them out all the time but to be honest their net itself was rock solid for the 4 years i was with them, it's just dealing with customer service that can be challenging.