Tonight either on ACA or TT - young driver deaths

Keepleft · 28-11-2006, 07:09 PM

Caught a glimpse of an ad for one of the two programs, I don't know which, that tonights episode will have parents of deceased teens killed on the roads, calling for action.

Not getting into a slanging match about the shows.

FPV8U · 28-11-2006, 07:11 PM

Not sure which one it's on.

hope it's not like all the others...

TZENU · 28-11-2006, 07:16 PM

Im guessing its going to be the same 'ol story about grieving parents who want to wave a magic wand and stop all the carnage.....my 2 cents anyway......But i'll still watch it!

Steffo · 28-11-2006, 07:21 PM

Same old same old, except now the morons are scratching their heads trying to explain why P-Plate deaths have doubled in NSW since the introduction of their idiotc restrictions.

Josh_XC · 28-11-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Same old same old, except now the morons are scratching their heads trying to explain why P-Plate deaths have doubled in NSW since the introduction of their idiotc restrictions.

yeh true true at the moment those restrictions havent seemed to be doing anything to the young road toll

Keepleft · 28-11-2006, 08:04 PM

TT done, now awaiting ACA.

Roosendaal met with mother and father Wells today, he is calling for 'defensive driver training' and passenger restrictions.

The first falls in line with the National Driver Training Scheme under dvelopment.

nobbystang · 28-11-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Keepleft

TT done, now awaiting ACA.

Roosendaal met with mother and father Wells today, he is calling for 'defensive driver training' and passenger restrictions.

The first falls in line with the National Driver Training Scheme under dvelopment.

Perhaps the Government need to look more at the parent side of things rather than placing knee jerk restrictions on p platers. I'm open minded as to what benefit a parent of a deceased child would have, can't imagine the poor guy being too open minded, but if he has good ideas that will improve the quality of training young drivers receive then it will be justified.

Bottom line, especially form personal experience, its not so much the lack of skill but more the thought process where things go wrong. Like Dr Phil says, our brains don't fully develop til we're in our early to mid 20's.

Keepleft · 28-11-2006, 08:30 PM

I concure Nobbystang and others.

Government can however give us additional tools that might be of use in our road going careers; triangle, vest, by adopting these 'standard measures' used OS in Europe and expected by all drivers in that market. The ACA program had one family I know who would have benefitted.

I will be discussing NSW P2 to full license, (DQT) test 'management' and 'program'. I am not satisfied with some of this content, indeed one question demands you give an incorrect answer to pass.

I'd suggest 'full' passenger restriction will not be the go, BUT we could restrict the P plater to two passengers only, typically preventing an additional two passenger deaths in a five seater, a 'balanced' approach to this.

I do suggest that rather than relying soley on INTERNET Pdf access to the NSW Road Users Handbook, NSW's key driver manual, that parents actually fork out the $10 cost and buy it. Much of what is inside in content, aside from highlighting legal requirement, is in fact practical on-road advice and offers much 'defensive driving' tutorial. RTA have sized this so it'll fit into the glove compartment.

Bill_R · 28-11-2006, 07:25 PM

there is a main meeting about this tomorrow in NSW. One member of the panel is a father who recently lost his young son in an accident. Suggestions so far include restricting P-plate drivers to one passenger unless the passenger is over 25 and licensed and limiting new P-Plate drivers to 2 litre vehicles.
the minister hasn't committed anything yet but there will be changes for sure.

IIV8II · 28-11-2006, 07:26 PM

Oh goody - they can all go crash in Sigmas and Lasers instead

poolkeeper · 28-11-2006, 08:06 PM

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Oh goody - they can all go crash in Sigmas and Lasers instead

Im with you...

70caprigt3k · 28-11-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by D1XR2C

Im with you...

Same here, doesn't matter what kind of car it is the only factor that changes is how long it takes to get to a speed that can kill the driver/occupants/other road users.

EA2BA · 28-11-2006, 08:15 PM

I look at the parents, the government does not control everything 100% black and white, and if you can't make your kid buy a lesser vehicle and stay alive on the roads (according to those parents), how can you just blame the government. Far to many people want to cop out of responsability. Parents of those kids take a long hard look at yourselves not the government.

EDIT: 2L Sigma or 6cyl commodore, 100k's an hour and a tree dont mix, plain and simple facts.

rant over.

Mutley · 29-11-2006, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by EA2BA

I look at the parents, the government does not control everything 100% black and white, and if you can't make your kid buy a lesser vehicle and stay alive on the roads (according to those parents), how can you just blame the government. Far to many people want to cop out of responsability. Parents of those kids take a long hard look at yourselves not the government.

EDIT: 2L Sigma or 6cyl commodore, 100k's an hour and a tree dont mix, plain and simple facts.

rant over.

Do you have Kids?

King Nothing · 29-11-2006, 02:14 AM

This arguement has come up time and time again, and will keep on doing so as long as kids keep having accidents (i.e. forever)

The solution IMHO is better driver training. Say they limit the number of passengers. Fine. Kid still doesnt learn how to drive properly, and will still end up crashing when it could have been avoided. Only difference is, he only kills himself. But is that good enough? Why should anybody die in an accident at all? Driver training is a far better solution than just putting more restrictions on P platers.

I did a driver training course, and in less than an hour had halved my braking distance and seriously changed my attitude towards driving. This was when I had just gotten my P2 licence. How this is not taught or tested by the RTA is disgusting. Seriously, if the government was to subsidise these driver training courses like what has happened overseas, the trainers would charge less due to the increased number of clients. And kids dont even need all day. If the government was to supply 1-3 hours of driver training per student in year 12 say, teaching the basics of braking in the dry, wet and some basic skid control, I beleive the p-plate road toll would fall drastically. Some theory could be taught in classrooms.

BENT_8 · 29-11-2006, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by EA2BA

I look at the parents, the government does not control everything 100% black and white, and if you can't make your kid buy a lesser vehicle and stay alive on the roads (according to those parents), how can you just blame the government. Far to many people want to cop out of responsability. Parents of those kids take a long hard look at yourselves not the government.

EDIT: 2L Sigma or 6cyl commodore, 100k's an hour and a tree dont mix, plain and simple facts.

rant over.

Bingo,
you wanna make parents wake up and take responsibility.
Let em know that when the coppers arrive on the door early one Sunday morning with bad news, they will take a broom and shovel and ask if they are ready to help clean up THEIR mess.
Shocking, ..maybe, necessary, ..definately.

aufairy · 29-11-2006, 04:52 AM

this subject has always been flogged to death as long as there is cars there will be fatalities better driver training yeah sure. but its still going to happen what about suicide rates they are double the road toll but we cant make money out of that and dont want everyone to know how bad the situation is

mcnews · 28-11-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Keepleft

Not getting into a slanging match about the shows.

No need, the programs are indefensible :->

poolkeeper · 28-11-2006, 08:37 PM

Less passengers just means more cars, (more "hoons") and more polution...

MITCHAY · 28-11-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by D1XR2C

Less passengers just means more cars, (more "hoons") and more polution...

Yep, many morons in many cars rather than many morons in one car. That's how I see it. Since they have introduced power restrictions, hasn't the road toll gone up?

GXL078 · 28-11-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by D1XR2C

Less passengers just means more cars, (more "hoons") and more polution...

Exactly. And all the kids will be driving home drunk and the nerd who doesn't drink won't get invited to the party as the designated driver becomes redunant.

Too many people turn to the government for a solution to their bad parenting skills that start with: 1.Dumping the kids in front of a Wiggles (or similar) DVD to be babysat.
2. Putting a TV (and phone) in the kids bedroom
3. Buying them Playstations where crashing is part of the fun and you never get hurt.
4. Not being allowed to discpline the kids.
5. Supplying the teenagers with alcohol so "at least they know what they have and how much"
etc etc.

Miller · 28-11-2006, 08:38 PM

As stated above, with a little persuasion, a hyundai excel will do 120kmh, only difference is that it takes half an hour longer than a new falcon or commodore. Doesn't matter what the car is, people are still going to be able to do stupid shit. Dick Johnson "Don't ban high performance cars, ban low performance drivers"

Green X · 28-11-2006, 08:47 PM

Why do the parents always call for action after the kid kills himself or herself on the Road, but never before, it’s always after the event they decide something needs to be done?

Humm maybe emotions are running there thoughts and not sense, defensive driver corse well OK but why dose it need to be law, You and you kid both could of went out and done one, in you own free will, why do you need it to be made a law befor you do it??

Power restrictions> Once agene 90% Of the time the parents will control what car the P Plater drives.

Then you look at it and think will any of what they are saying should be changed stop what happened from happening agene, and the Answer is most probably not most of the time, Just the same way most of the Laws they have brought in over the last few years have done very little, Yet people believe bringing in even tougher laws will fix it, WTF.

Falcon_Phill · 28-11-2006, 08:49 PM

Same time next year the same rubbish will be on. Less tv ratings, more action may help.

Ives · 28-11-2006, 09:22 PM

--Sigh--... wanna know the answer?

50kW maximum + 3000rpm rev-limiter + 60kph max speed = stupid accident rate goes down drastically.

poolkeeper · 28-11-2006, 09:29 PM

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--Sigh--... wanna know the answer?

50kW maximum + 3000rpm rev-limiter + 60kph max speed = stupid accident rate goes down drastically.

No......, but you can still die at 60kph?

**Mechan1k** · 29-11-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by D1XR2C

No......, but you can still die at 60kph?

Sure can ... just like the P-plater showing off to mates in Glendenning, NSW the other day.

speed wasn't the factor and neither was fatigue ... it was put down to driver in-experience.

Trying to duck across an intersection against a Give Way sign and getting collected by a truck. The poor truck driver that was involved.

poolkeeper · 28-11-2006, 09:44 PM

bit off topic, but dont you think that no booze in your system while on your p-plates, is just pretty much saying if your going to drink- get wasted???

AnthonyQLD · 28-11-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by D1XR2C

bit off topic, but dont you think that no booze in your system while on your p-plates, is just pretty much saying if your going to drink- get wasted???

No

XFshep · 29-11-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by D1XR2C

bit off topic, but dont you think that no booze in your system while on your p-plates, is just pretty much saying if your going to drink- get wasted???

i kind of wondered about their logic on this matter, i would like to know the realistic detrimental effects 2 standard drinks has on an average persons ability to drive.