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"TOYOTA Australia has released a statement this afternoon saying it expects its workforce will reduce from 3,900 people to around 1,300 by 2018.
This includes the loss of manufacturing and corporate jobs and the creation of some new roles. The announcement comes as the company talks about its future plans for when it stops manufacturing and becomes a national sales and distribution company. The company will consolidate its corporate functions to Melbourne, impacting its operations currently located in Sydney. The head office will continue to be based in Port Melbourne and most of the Altona manufacturing site will be retained for new and relocated functions. There will also be a significant reduction in corporate support roles and the four Toyota Parts Centres located throughout the country will undergo major reform to improve global competitiveness. Toyota Australia President Dave Buttner said that the decisions announced today were not made lightly and were based on an extensive evaluation process. "This year has been extremely tough for everyone at Toyota Australia," Mr Buttner said. "We understand that it is a difficult time for many of our employees and we are committed to supporting them during the transition period. "These changes will provide us with the best opportunity to have a strong and sustainable base for the next fifty years and beyond." http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au...ralia/2473825/
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Now the company (Toyota Aus) can't afford to pay the wages of the members so they are closing up production in Aus. Can't blame them really... |
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yeh no i work there and the union only tried to stop toyota from reducing the steps the had to take to dismiss workers the only money discussions that took place were from the members telling toyota to keep the pay rise they were going to give us but the company wouldnt have it. toyota was going to was going to close shop and then fire people for stupid reasons so they wouldn't have to pay redundancy's
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Yeah not quite buddy. It was the supplier base not being able to supply only one manufacturer that was the issue. Toyota, the richest auto maker has no trouble paying its employees.
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Supply issues and all the other issues stem back to the pay rate.
Too be honest im over grieving the big 3s demise in Oz, im kinda thankfull they hung around as long as they did. |
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The Toyota employees building the Camry in Kentucky are paid far less than Aussie employees, and there's no drop in quality - their scores are higher than Oz.
When Toyota can build the same car, and achieve an even higher internal quality score, for a bit over half the wages cost, there was no hope for Australia. |
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The real benefit of US assembly is volume, not costs. Unions have bent over backwards here, no pay rises for numerous years, no industrial action, maximum flexibility with casuals and putting full time staff on forced leave or part time hours during quiet times, and the eroding of conditions at every re-negotiation. The targeting of unions is incorrect and unfair. The lack of real industrial policy, a high Aussie dollar and a very fragmented market was the killer. |
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What the unions spread, and reality, are vastly different things.
Like when Toyota announced their closure, and within minutes the union propaganda machine were blaming Abbott for all 3 closure announcements in 2013 - and the unionist muppets spread it far & wide on Facebook & via email. Seems they forgot that Ford's announcement was in May, under Rudd, and Abbott took power some 3 months later, but hey, let's not let facts get in the way.....blame Abbott for Ford as well...... I work for a global company, who have a fairly large division that supplies components to car manufacturers all over the world. I am in constant contact with colleagues in Europe, China, Thailand, and the USA. The Toyota wages figures I've been told came from internal company sources in the US, and were backed up with info given to me from contacts I have in Toyota HQ in Oz. I'm going to believe them, rather the "statistics" promoted by a pumped up union agenda. |
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And so others can also seek out the reality for themselves, here's a website that shows the true wages in Kentucky:
http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_ky.htm#51-0000 You'll note the average is around $14-17 / hour ($30-35K) for most production type jobs. Even front-line supervisors are only on a median wage of $24/hr ($50k). When wages were spiralling out of control in Detroit, aided by the auto workers union, the manufacturers saw a way out - and scrambled to head south of the Mason-Dixon Line, to areas like Kentucky - beyond the reach of the unions. |
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Didn't realize taking Toyota to court to prevent the existing EBA being renegotiated is what constitutes bending over backwards.
Can't link the original article (paywall), but someone copied it here: http://www.1eyedeel.com/xn/detail/50...omment:1622230 Quote:
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Flooding the market with cheap imports from 3rd world country's with no unions and no industry protection is what killed the Aus. industry . If you cant beat them join them comes to mind .
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Sad but not unexpected, you could see the way things have panned out coming from decades ago, where will we be in 20 years time as far as manufacturing goes ?
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With all the headaches and costs in manufacturing in oz, why would any company/employer want to put themselves through it ?
answer ? they don`t , that is why manufacturing is deserting like rats on a sinking ship. |
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The costs are astronomical (building rent, council rates, utilities, taxes, wages, insurance, work cover, etc) and the red tape that has to be completed just makes AU a terrible place to do business. If I was setting one up now it wouldn't be here.
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Tend to agree, but for question's sake, is there any way it is possible to set up a profitable manufacturing business in Australia under current conditions? Do design only? Automate to the level you don't have staff (eliminates many OH&S and IR issues)? Locate far away from high land prices? Pursue a niche and do it best-in-world (as the Germans do with technology)? Set up factory under water to avoid being in a council area subject to their regulations?? lol
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In all seriousness though every business all over the world has various costs associated with running everyday but in AU these costs keep on increasing at a phenomenal rate each year (utilities, land tax (VIC), etc). Increasing prices won't help as it will drive customers elsewhere. Governments, businesses and employment groups need to work together to get some kind of framework established to encourage investment in AU, stop businesses going overseas.
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Alternatively, if Europe/US don't regulate a category of products, we shouldn't either. I work in an industry that is government-regulated. Our products have to undergo all sorts of extra testing/registration/etc before it can be sold here. The same category of products in the US/Europe have no such regulations, and are free for individuals to buy online and bring into the country. The bureaucrats pat themselves on the back because they hide from criticism by trotting the 'public safety' argument, even though there's no evidence that the amount of regulations has protected us in any way. Meanwhile, the list of licensed Australian manufacturers is less than half as big as it was a few years ago. We're regulating ourselves out of existence.... |
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Cheers for the replies both of you, agree. Yeah Boson, I wonder what the point of keeping ADRs is once we don't have an auto industry and US/EU have regulations that should cover us?
The more I look at it the more I am looking forward to setting up overseas, which luckily I can do. Gotta look on the sunny side.
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