W427 finished

Bossxr8 · 17-04-2009, 02:06 PM

Had to laugh at this, after all of HSV's smoke blowing BS about how many orders and expressions of interest they had in the W427, the last one has rolled down the line for a total build of around 120.

HSV claimed they had over 1500 expressions of interest recieved at dealerships, and they went on to say they will not build any more than 427 cars to keep them exclusive. They then backpedalled and said they will limit it to 200. They couldn't even get that far. Seems like HSV were wrong and everybody else was right, that next to no one was going to pay that much for a Commonwhore.

I'd hate to know how much money they lost on the program.

I think if they had kept the price close to the original projections of around 120k it might have sold OK, but pushing the price up into M3, C63 and ISF territory was just dumb.

davez104 · 17-04-2009, 02:09 PM

Doesn't bode well for those holding out for a new GTHO does it.

Dave.

Bossxr8 · 17-04-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by davez104

Doesn't bode well for those holding out for a new GTHO does it.

Dave.

The GTHO badge will assure it will sell, and Ford wouldn't be stupid enough to sell it for more than 100k, Rod Barrett has already said they would want to keep it under that.

The W427 had no heritage and didn't really raise the bar in terms of performance or styling, cause it looked like crap. It was only 0.2 seconds quicker to 100 than a GTS.

I'd say the number 1 reason it didn't sell was because of the ridiculous price though. What were they thinking. They probably saw how many expressions of interest they had an thought they might be able to maximise profits on it so they jacked the price up. That probably turned away most of their potential customers who thought it would cost no more than 120k as had been talked about at the start.

davez104 · 17-04-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The GTHO badge will assure it will sell, and Ford wouldn't be stupid enough to sell it for more than 100k, Rod Barrett has already said they would want to keep it under that.

The W427 had no heritage and didn't really raise the bar in terms of performance or styling, cause it looked like crap. It was only 0.2 seconds quicker to 100 than a GTS.

I'd say the number 1 reason it didn't sell was because of the ridiculous price though. What were they thinking. They probably saw how many expressions of interest they had an thought they might be able to maximise profits on it so they jacked the price up. That probably turned away most of their potential customers who thought it would cost no more than 120k as had been talked about at the start.

I agree that it's the price that really killed it, but do you seriously think that Ford could produce a car worthy of the GTHO name for less than 100K? A GTP would have to pushing close to 80k now I think, and a HO would want to be a lot more special than a GTP.

And as far as heritage goes, I know the name has heritage, but I don't think any car produced today, whether it wears that name or not, can claim anything to do with that heritage.

I would love to see a very special car released with the HO name, but I don't think Ford has the finances or the balls to release a car worthy of the badge.

Cheers,
Dave.

b2tf · 17-04-2009, 05:45 PM

If it were a Falcon/FPV variant everybody here would have loved it. At least Holden had a go.

**Peuty** · 17-04-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

If it were a Falcon/FPV variant everybody here would have loved it. At least Holden had a go.

Agreed.

All you people gloating need your heads read. As others had mentioned, if the W427 was a success, FPV would have then had a solid business case to release a proper special edition package, GTHO or not.

Bossxr8 · 18-04-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

If it were a Falcon/FPV variant everybody here would have loved it. At least Holden had a go.

It was the way they gloated about how successful it was going to be that got me, i'm not having a go at them for trying it, its just the arrogant BS they peddle to talk themselves up that made me laugh. Especially when they talked about having 1500 solid expressions of interest.

HSE2 · 17-04-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The GTHO badge will assure it will sell, and Ford wouldn't be stupid enough to sell it for more than 100k, Rod Barrett has already said they would want to keep it under that.

That's not what he has said.
You aren't going to keep a HO under 100k and have it worthy of the name.

He did say 150k was too expensive in his eyes for an Australian built car, but then again he doesn"t have an MRC bill.

**DJM83** · 17-04-2009, 02:09 PM

Only ever seen one of these (Gold Coast) in the flesh and i actually didnt mind it but yeah the price tag for in essence and GTS was a little to high, too many better options to consider IMO.

Iggypoppin' · 17-04-2009, 02:10 PM

And the F6 still beat it anyway. What a joke biggest jerk off I ever seen.

Ghosn · 17-04-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NJXR6

And the F6 still beat it anyway.

Smoke much?

XplosiveR6 · 17-04-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghosn

Smoke much?

Wow the 427 was a whole 0.2sec quicker, makes that extra $70,000 more so worth it. If the F6 has as wide tyres as the 427 it would beat it easily.

Ghosn · 17-04-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by XplosiveR6

Wow the 427 was a whole 0.2sec quicker, makes that extra $70,000 more so worth it. If the F6 has as wide tyres as the 427 it would beat it easily.

Good for you. He made an 'INCORRECT' statement and I pulled him up on it, don't get your knickers in a knot at me.

And don't give me 'ifs' or make assumptions. I could add 'ifs' to the W427 too?

Iggypoppin' · 17-04-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghosn

Smoke much?

Cigarettes. Think about it. For the money, I'd have an F6. As it would need SFA to make it match a W427, and it's half the cost. Imagine insuring one. Now imagine pranging it. Now imagine how long it will take to fix...and as good as it is, I couldn't justify it...you'd be scared to take that thing anywhere, it is far too rare.

4Vman · 17-04-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NJXR6

Cigarettes. Think about it. For the money, I'd have an F6. As it would need SFA to make it match a W427, and it's half the cost. Imagine insuring one. Now imagine pranging it. Now imagine how long it will take to fix...and as good as it is, I couldn't justify it...you'd be scared to take that thing anywhere, it is far too rare.

You just answered your own question...

Iggypoppin' · 17-04-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

You just answered your own question...

Question?

Ghosn · 17-04-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NJXR6

Cigarettes. Think about it.

Think about what? You posted a statement that was wrong and not very well thought out and now u have changed your tune after someone picked it out?

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Originally Posted by NJXR6

For the money, I'd have an F6. As it would need SFA to make it match a W427, and it's half the cost. Imagine insuring one. Now imagine pranging it. Now imagine how long it will take to fix...and as good as it is, I couldn't justify it...you'd be scared to take that thing anywhere, it is far too rare.

Ahh Now it's modded vs factory? I'm sure the F6 would be legal too, yes?

And what does insurance have to do with anything? I'm sure an individual who can afford to purchase a 150k car can afford to insure it. Why would a person be too scared to take it anywhere? Maybe everyone who owns a 150k+ car should just leave it in their garage for dust collection going by your theory?

Iggypoppin' · 18-04-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghosn

Think about what? You posted a statement that was wrong and not very well thought out and now u have changed your tune after someone picked it out?

Ahh Now it's modded vs factory? I'm sure the F6 would be legal too, yes?

And what does insurance have to do with anything? I'm sure an individual who can afford to purchase a 150k car can afford to insure it. Why would a person be too scared to take it anywhere? Maybe everyone who owns a 150k+ car should just leave it in their garage for dust collection going by your theory?

You have much pent up anger.
Ok, so you have purchased your W427. Insured no worries(cos your rich)if you have a crash how long do you think the insurer is going to need to source parts? You sound like someone I work with. A Nitpicker. Yeah your right I'd pick an F6 over the W427 for modability. So get off your high horse.

snappy · 17-04-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NJXR6

And the F6 still beat it anyway. What a joke biggest jerk off I ever seen.

Think again.

Mr Brooksy · 17-04-2009, 02:11 PM

Cant say Im glad to see Australia's "supercar" go.

I have to say though, it was "super"... a SUPERmistake!

Go one better...

4VCLEVO · 17-04-2009, 02:19 PM

The way GMH hyped it up you would of thought they could have sold a whole heap more than 427. Seems not.

Scott · 17-04-2009, 02:25 PM

I'm happy they did the bit about giving the punters something special, if it was priced <$99k I'm sure they would have sold like hot cakes. If the GFC hadn't happened they probably wouldn't have had any left either.

Walkinshaw can produce a warranted car with ~600hp for sub $100k, CAPA can sell blown SS Utes for ~$50k - why did Holden gamble so much with the price? Did they really believe that the prce tag would make it more desirable? It certainly made it exclusive I guess lol.

TZENU · 17-04-2009, 02:50 PM

Well that was a fun exercise on Holden's behalf!

WindsorXR · 17-04-2009, 03:23 PM

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On a serious note- Sucks to be GM right now!!!HAHAHA

GTP owner · 17-04-2009, 04:45 PM

You guys are very quick to gloat, but if it had been a success there would have probably been a gtho - now there is no way. I seriously looked at one, but the interior is actually what swayed me (or rather the missus) against it. She would prefer the audi rs4 because it looks more stylish.
The car is the best, fastest standard car out there made in australia. F6 faster - bah, maybe a chippied one for 2 laps. This thing will do any track for as many laps as you want. No cool down for the oil or brakes, no worry about turbo exhaust temps going too high.

The problem was that the price put it against the audi rs4, merc c63amg, bmw m3, and the gt-r. All fantastic cars for around 150k

tweeked · 17-04-2009, 04:54 PM

It was a serious car, too serious for this market. It is what a GTHO would need to be, and it proves that the volumes will not support a car built to these specs.

F6 cannot go anywhere near matching the 427 as an allround package. It only goes close n a straight line drag as an auto.

TS50 · 17-04-2009, 04:54 PM

personally if i was going to throw $150 K at a car, it would have been a M3 or similar
still a shame it didnt work
however if FPV can keep a HO around a 100K it may well sell
might even put my name on one

motorcycles4eva · 22-04-2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TS50

personally if i was going to throw $150 K at a car, it would have been a M3 or similar
still a shame it didnt work
however if FPV can keep a HO around a 100K it may well sell
might even put my name on one

i would have bought a 1997 Ferrari F355 GTS Yellow 6sp M Coupe
and kept my xa..
nice machine they produced but i can't afford anything..
but that is me

galaxy xr8 · 17-04-2009, 05:56 PM

And I think people should stop and think that in this economic crisis, the W427 was allways going to strugle to make sales even if it was a good idea, I wouldn't say it was a failed attempt by HSV, I would say the economic failed HSV and it was the wrong time.

Rodp · 17-04-2009, 06:16 PM

...and the one eyed's have it.

Sticking an HO badge on a Ford doesn't give it any more heritage than sticking a W427 badge on a Holden.

HSV trotted out an impressive package that would run rings around an F6 on a track but the price of petrol and the financial crisis at that price point was obviously too much for the market.

A ballsy move and a ballsy car, I for one applaud HSV for a fine effort.