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https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...ransit-121277/
Ford stops sales of Ranger, Everest, Endura and Transit Fuel injection parts concern for 2.0-litre diesel engines could affect 10s of thousands of vehicles Ford Australia has taken the unusual step of ordering dealers to cease sale or delivery of imported models powered by a 2.0-litre diesel four-cylinder engine. The order takes effect immediately and applies to variants of Ford Ranger, Everest, Endura, Transit and Transit Custom models, some of which have already reached dealers. Late last month, Ford issued a dealer bulletin advising that high-pressure fuel injectors for the MY19.75 Ford Transit and Transit Custom commercial vehicles were defective and could result in a misfire and "reduced engine performance". Ford informed its dealers of this issue prior to the vehicles arriving in the country. The vehicles affected were built in the company's Kocaeli (Turkey) plant between May 18 and July 12 of this year. Ford instructed the dealers to abide by immediate 'Stop Sale' and 'Stop Delivery' orders. Since then, Ford has issued another bulletin, placing a 'quality hold' on select Ranger, Everest, Transit Custom and Endura vehicles in the company's Vehicle Holding Centres. Ford undertook in the second bulletin, dated September 30, to investigate these vehicles for the same fuel injector problem. This 'quality hold' applies to: Ranger models built between April 23 and July 10 this year, Everest models built between April 27 and July 20 this year, Transit Custom models built between March 16 and July 10 this year, Transit models built between March 20 and May 23 this year, Endura models built between February 25 and August 6 this year. Finally, a third dealer bulletin issued on October 7 ordered an 'immediate' suspension of demonstration or delivery of the vehicles mentioned in the second bulletin. Ford has narrowed down the production dates for the Ranger to those vehicles built between May 2 and July 10, but the range of Everest production dates has been expanded to April 27 through to September 17 of this year. Ford Australia has been approached for official comment by carsales. |
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Ah Diesel engines... cant wait to they hit the motoring evolutionary scrapheap for passenger vehicles like coal and kerosene engines before them
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Will have to watch the monthly Vfacts sales figures in the near future as its claimed the 2.0l makes up the majority of Ranger sales.
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It won't give you an indication of how many 2.0s are sold. It only affects certain build dates so there will still be sales of unaffected 2.0s. Of those affected, who is to say that dealers won't still sell/register them but just delay handover until the fix is completed?
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Im not saying it will give an exact figure, but if they cant even demo them never mind sell/deliver them and the 2.0l makes up the majority as we've been told, it should show up in the numbers. |
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Diesel Mazda3's and Holden Cruze??... give me a f**kin' break! Why anyone would buy a small car with a diesel engine, is beyond me?? ![]() |
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it made sense when diesel was half the price of petrol. nowadays, not so much.
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I do about 700-1000km a week, the diesel Focus does 5.5L/100km and I flog the absolute crap out of it at every opportunity. Though these days with cars like the Fiesta ST my old man has with the Mountune package, it makes 59KW more power than my Focus, identical level of torque and sips 6.3L/100km even with me flogging the crap out of it. These weren't available when I bought my diesel Focus new - it was a choice between 2L naturally aspirated petrol engine or a 2L turbo diesel engine - who the hell would go the 2L naturally aspirated engine, absolute nugget. In 2019 - no way would I buy another diesel car with turbo petrol engines on offer left right and centre, unless it was an SUV but I'm vehemently anti SUV as I don't have kids. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 26-10-2019 at 05:28 PM. |
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Im sensing your not a small diesel fan
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and i suppose in a few years when electric becomes the norm theres going to be people saying the same bout small petrol motored vehicles too (Commercial vehicles excluded)
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Been driving with diesel for years - no problems and great fuel economy. I get ppl not liking diesel but plenty do and aren’t whinging about them. Horses for courses. I’m actually surprised how many diesels are still around in some way. Who would have thought utes would become a thing 5-10 years back?
Interesting too the scrap yard comment. Unless EV battery prices come down, what do you think you will do with your EV if/when the battery dies out of warranty and get told a replacement is worth more then the car? I will take the known quantity tech than hopes and dreams it will sort itself out price wise any day. |
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I do about 700-1000km a week a little 2.5l Diesel is perfect, the equivalent petrol thing would send me broke and Plug in electric vehicles dont have the actual range to suit my needs I love little Diesels and my house ute (the one I run around my block in) is an old Triton with 800,000 its never even had the head off, I did do injector nozzles on the bench about 300,000 ago and they could probably be done again now but other than that its strong as an ox
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Very unfortunate but sounds like they caught the problem before delivery, the problem now is getting the replacement injectors in a timely fashion and paying dealers to change them before delivery.
I wonder if they soften and take the chance by changing them at first service |
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They haven't caught the problem before delivery. Jump on some of the Ranger groups on Facebook. There have been quite a few injector failures on there. On vehicles with under 1000km.
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Maybe , just maybe, fingers crossed Ford has learnt it's lesson over the focus debacle and is actually being proactive for once!
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You gotta love the premium cost of Diesel engines these days, maybe open the door for less fussy petrol engines or maybe a hybrid for those who rarely if ever tow. Last edited by jpd80; 26-10-2019 at 02:48 AM. |
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75k/kms in 3.5 years with my Captiva 2.2 diesel. No problems. I do live in the country. Not much stop start driving. Maybe, city driving is the problem. ?
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Loves captivas, says with out them he couldnt have sent his kids to Knox Grammar
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I'm in the automotive game & you can say the same about any top selling car in any given era. ATM moment the volume of Commodores & Falcons is diminishing, but we are doing real well out of Corollas, Mazdas, i30s & Subarus. Diesel utes & SUVs are growing, but they are too expensive to repair, many owners trade up to something newer. Once upon a time it was VLs, XFs & Magnas. Dr Terry |
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Who is the supplier of the diesel injectors?
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Sadly in most cases they are only available from the OEM, meaning Bosch, Delphi, Denso etc. What they have in common is that they are all way too expensive.
We see many small Diesel repairs over go over $6,000 to $8,000 & that's only for the fuel system. As a matter of fact Captivas are one of the cheaper in this area. Dr Terry |
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That doesn't answer my question. Who supplies the diesel injectors to Ford which are the cause of the problem?
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Did they inform Ford about the proposed change to their production process? Did they get approval from Ford engineering? Did they get an SRA? Did they get PPAP approval? If the answer is no then Continental is in for a world of pain.
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What do most people do when confronted with the repair bill? Assuming the car isnt running.
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If its something like my Focus, I'm not spending $4000 on injectors on a car worth $500 lol |
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