Ben Cousins 2nd Chance

StAndArdAU · 16-12-2008, 01:30 PM

So Richmond (go the Tiges!!) have picked up Cuzzy in the Preseason AFL draft. Personally i feel this is good for Ben, great for Richmond, and good for football overall.

Sure he has a drug problem, and is apparently struggling to reform, but i hope once he realises how much of a risk this club has made in picking him, and how many people are now relying on him, that he will do his best to overcome his problems.

I've had friends who in similar situations have lost their job, and people wouldnt give them a 2nd chance. Something like this though is good for a persons mental state.

On the ABC radio this morning they were having talk back about "Getting a Second Chance". Would anyone here like to comment on either A)Cousins and/or B)having had a second chance personally?

I'll start. about 18 months ago myself and my girlfriend were having a hard time trusting each other, to point of nearly ending a 4 yr relationship. But we decided to come clean and talk. we now love each other more than ever, and have a beautiful 3 month old daughter to show for it!

noosacuda · 16-12-2008, 01:39 PM

He,like virtually ALL sports "stars" are paid way too much money, and cannot handle the responsability,like last years (about) half a million dollars! (The PM of Australia only gets $330k?!) where did Cousins money all go? up his nose and p1ssed against the wall!!!

StAndArdAU · 16-12-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by noosacuda

He,like virtually ALL sports "stars" are paid way too much money, and cannot handle the responsability,like last years (about) half a million dollars! (The PM of Australia only gets $330k?!) where did Cousins money all go? up his nose and p1ssed against the wall!!!

As opposed to my General Manager who earnt $13.4 million this financial year? While i get around $100K. and i bet i did more hard work than he did.

Put into perspective, a sporting club is a business and if it earns millions of dollars its only fair that the people who made that money get a large portion of it.

in a club there's less than, oh say 100 on the pay roll. the company i work for has over 17000.

And who cares what the PM gets? $330k p/yr pales in comparison to the parlimentary pension fund. Each PM gets paid until he dies as far as im aware.

Ralliart · 16-12-2008, 01:46 PM

least now its finally over

RG · 16-12-2008, 01:47 PM

Good on him and good luck to him. Richmond shall be a very interesting team to watch next year.

azaxr8 · 16-12-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralliart

least now its finally over

Don't be to sure. I know personally that he is still on the stuff as a few of my friends have gotten on the gear with him in perth.

Brillant footballer and i wish him the best with richmond. Hope he can play some great footy next year.

peachey80 · 16-12-2008, 10:12 PM

In no way am I Richmond fan nor a Cousins fan.... But, good on Richmond for giving him a second chance, and I hope Cousins can end his career on a high note (no pun intended), rather than being kicked out for postive testing.
Everyone deserves a second chance, he aditted his problem, he never tested positive as opposed to other roumered players which has been kept very quiet and with no ramafications like Cousins has had.
Do you think Cousins is the only football player, let alone sports star to take illegal drugs ????

noosacuda; who cares if the PM only gets 330k per year..... he also gets free rent, no power bills, phone bills, rates, chaufered everywhere, all expenses paid trips to all over the world, then a life time pension. To be honest, I doubt if he would need to pay for a single thing !!! Maybe, if he wanted to get paid more, he should have paid more attention in PE at school.

Rob; When has anyone said that "drugs are ok, as long as you're good at footy" They guys has to be tested upto 3 times a week !!! I dare say, if any one of those tests are found to be positive he will be out on his a&$e real quick.

SgtBourne; Steroids is different. Ice and coke are hardly performancing enhancing drugs.......

TUF_302; How is this setting the wrong example for our kids ??? Has Cousins been put up on some pedestal of "what to do when you get older" for this ?? Is he the new bench mark for kids to be ??

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seduced_xr · 16-12-2008, 11:02 PM

i hate the guy with a passion. but i can understand every1 deserves a second chance. but i dont think he will stay clean

DoreSlamR · 16-12-2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by azaxr8

Don't be to sure. I know personally that he is still on the stuff as a few of my friends have gotten on the gear with him in perth.

Brillant footballer and i wish him the best with richmond. Hope he can play some great footy next year.

I'm finding what you're saying pretty hard to believe.

And if true, he'll get caught pretty quick, masking agents only do so much.

gcg2503 · 16-12-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DoreSlamR

I'm finding what you're saying pretty hard to believe.

And if true, he'll get caught pretty quick, masking agents only do so much.

and olympic sprinters are all natural too...............

textbook case of anabolic steroid use going on with Cousins

MYVYSS · 16-12-2008, 02:21 PM

As a richmond support I a stoked that he will be there,it could be the spark needed for a better year, anything better than ninth I am a happy chappy...on another side note..

D1ck Smith the Major sponsor of the RFC have annouced a collectors edition fridge to mark the occasion. Has a 24 can capacity but only holds coke and ice, the number 12 slot on the fridge is the only one that works correctly but even then has a habit of exploding for nothing and some cans from this slot will spray left or right without warning, also the number 17 slot will occassionally leak no matter where you are.

uranium_death · 16-12-2008, 04:11 PM

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also the number 17 slot will occassionally leak no matter where you are.

I doubt that you wrote this, as you would know that Kane Johnson is no longer the captain.
The "Coke and Ice" thing has been overdone to death too. Yawn.

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Originally Posted by Russell

Richmond shall be a very interesting team to watch next year.

Richmond has been interesting to watch for a long time, because they are good when they get going, but their poor performances occur too often, and are a very low standard.
Richmond doesn't need stars to be prominent. Richmond needs stability, and competent businessmen at the helm.

Ed McGuire, as pathetic as he may be running a company, he has done a lot of good for Collingwood, even to the point of completely prostituting it in almost every aspect, especially the media.

Geelong as Frank Costa and Brian Cook who with them, Geelong would have shut down years ago, due to Kardinia Park being recognised as neolithic ruins and the club being even more in debt. During their 10 year reign, the club has been stable, and Mark Thompson (coach for his 10th year in 2009) has only helped that.

Richmond on the other hand goes through CEOs, football departments, Presidents and coaches like nobody's business.

So I see Cousins purely as a chance for Cousins. I think Richmond will do well this year with or without him, after last year's return to true Richmond form - 9th

StAndArdAU · 16-12-2008, 02:31 PM

Me too.

Actually my old man rang up and asked, "oh gawd, can you imagine Richo on Speed?"
haha

kocho · 16-12-2008, 02:37 PM

Richmond supporter all my life, 11th consecutive year as member. Really happy to have Cousins in board. Obvious risks and playing risks like hamstrings which are suspect but its good to see him have a 2nd chance.

I'm hoping we make the finals next year and have a fair bit of impact in them. Love to see Richo win a flag.

Go Tigers!

BZINGA · 16-12-2008, 02:47 PM

Good luck to Ben and well done to Richmond for giving him ago, just hope it works for them and not against.

DBourne · 16-12-2008, 02:53 PM

to me i hate how he has gone about it, so arrogant and smug.

just goes off and does the party boy thing with drugs and booze, then expects people to pay for his re-hab then expects to play agian, didnt even seem like he ever had the idea of what consequences could occur.

That's what annoys me about the whole thing

irlewy86 · 16-12-2008, 02:58 PM

It'll end in tears

gcg2503 · 16-12-2008, 07:54 PM

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It'll end in tears

second that

**TUF_302** · 16-12-2008, 08:09 PM

I dont think he should be aloud to play ever again!, its setting the wrong example for young kids!

nuthin' fancy · 17-12-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TUF_302

I dont think he should be aloud to play ever again!, its setting the wrong example for young kids!

I disagree, if he can make a success of it, what a great story it becomes.

There is always an element of, "he took drugs, it is his fault" but I doubt it is that simple.

Good luck to him and good luck to the Tiges, I hope (with Sheedy as his mentor and Sheedy is the one responsible for Richmond picking him up) that is all works out. I suspect that, football apart, Cousins doesn't have much going for him (a la Gary Ablett).

Biggav · 16-12-2008, 03:06 PM

yeh good luck to him and the club, hope it doesnt end in tears but can never not think what if? if it does.

maybe now perthnow.com.au can go back to dullsville as this circus is over and done now.

Rob · 16-12-2008, 03:13 PM

So the message is clear - drugs are OK, as long as you're good at footy.

OLDFORDNUT · 17-12-2008, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

So the message is clear - drugs are OK, as long as you're good at footy.

too right, between ours and the USA's sporting and television stars anythings ok as long as your famous,
its a great lesson our children are getting
oh i nearly forgot,the other couple of players who were bashing and in one case ,glassing there Girlfriends with no Jail time.
i believe giving someone another chance depending on severity of crime,but only when they show genuine remorse,Ben has never shown that,and has done things besides taking drugs that show him to be just a thug

Geez Louise · 16-12-2008, 03:13 PM

I feel sorry for the poor physio's. Poor old Ben injures himself they won't be able to treat it with ICE!

On a serious note, it is good that he is given another go. I think he realises it is his last chance.

BAGT161 · 16-12-2008, 03:16 PM

Round 1 should be good.

Carlton V Richmond

rodderz · 16-12-2008, 03:17 PM

I reckon he'll do well next year, barring injury. He has been a bit arrogant about things, but he has a natural talent that allows him to play good even after extended breaks.

I reckon there will be some AFL clubs next year wondering why they didnt pick him up. Good luck to him- he admitted his stuff up and got help before he got busted, if he's willing to put in the hard yards to come back thats a good thing

StAndArdAU · 16-12-2008, 03:22 PM

i'll bloody spew if its a hamstring injury that ends his career early & not the drugs...

kocho · 16-12-2008, 03:25 PM

Id rather it be a hamstring that ends his career. He just needs to be with the right people at the moment. Its a minimal risk recruitment by Richmond because all it was was a PSD pick that we had to use to get him.

prydey · 16-12-2008, 03:53 PM

do people really believe that cousins is the only drug suspect in the afl?? cousins admitted he had an issue but don't forget, he never failed a drug test, something others in the afl have done and yet 2nd and 3rd chances are handed out regularly. because they aren't high profile players not much gets reported.

good luck to Ben. i hope he does well as he has a lot to offer. it will not surprise me if richmond make the 8 next year. on paper they have a pretty good list. have a look at how different carlton looked once they got a couple of wins under their belt. confidence is a major factor in the afl.

how many people who bag cousins for what he does have done exactly the same thing or are doing the same thing in their own life. sure sports stars are in the public eye and have to set an example accordingly but they are still humans. if its not o.k. for ben because he has to lead by example, then i hope his example is followed and no one else does it either. won't happen. the media are sensationalists and many people are hypocrits.

Windsor220 · 16-12-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

do people really believe that cousins is the only drug suspect in the afl?? cousins admitted he had an issue but don't forget, he never failed a drug test, something others in the afl have done and yet 2nd and 3rd chances are handed out regularly. because they aren't high profile players not much gets reported.

good luck to Ben. i hope he does well as he has a lot to offer. it will not surprise me if richmond make the 8 next year. on paper they have a pretty good list. have a look at how different carlton looked once they got a couple of wins under their belt. confidence is a major factor in the afl.

how many people who bag cousins for what he does have done exactly the same thing or are doing the same thing in their own life. sure sports stars are in the public eye and have to set an example accordingly but they are still humans. if its not o.k. for ben because he has to lead by example, then i hope his example is followed and no one else does it either. won't happen. the media are sensationalists and many people are hypocrits.

Good post

People have to remember that the AFL cant really ban Cousins from playing because he hasnt had 3 strikes. There's current players that have been tested positive but havent been brought out to the public. Cousins basically suspended himself and got himself back into shape to retun to the AFL. Franklin is rumoured to have 2 strikes but you wont see him coming out and publically admitting a problem.