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Wirlankarra yanama
Join Date: May 2006
Location: God's Country
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NBN (you know that thing "we" (the tax paying members of society) are subsidising to the tune of at least $38,000,000,000 .... $38 Billion) well Internode has just released its NBN pricing...
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/tec...721-1hqbn.html I guess if you've inherited lots of money or won a substantial lotto division, then these prices will probably work for you, for everyone else it would seem a tad unrealistic. Still you'd have to wonder what the NBN pricing would be without the $38,000,000,000 tax payers money to make it "affordable". If you look closely and rearrange the NBN letter you get HUGE FLAMMIN RIPOFF! go figure??? |
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Call me Spud
Join Date: May 2008
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Nothing expensive about it to me. Here in the country I pay $110pm for my net and voip at 8mbps with 100gb, it is supposed to be 20mbps but even when I was with telstra the fastest I could get was 12mbps. So if it is only $119 and I can get 100mbps, even 50mbps it is worth it in my eyes. Unfortunitely you city folk are used to not paying much for internet at all, so I think it is about time you can pay what the rest of us have to lol.
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Think its time you crawled out from under that rock and take a look around. It's quite obvious to me you have no idea what you are talking about on this topic.
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Wirlankarra yanama
Join Date: May 2006
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Perhaps: Twitter will be improved? or Youtube videos will they stream better? or Facebook will be more fun? or Gaming? or Downloading is that the benefit? or Emails will these become more intelligent? or Banking, finance. goggle, ebay, fordforums? or Maybe you know of some critical business application that must have these "so called high speeds". I'd be interested in knowing which applications they are, I've been involved with implementing high definition medical images (X-Rays) from hospital to hospital, using high speed (10Gb dark fibre) bandwidth. Surprisingly, it isn't bandwidth that is the issue with these applications, yet that is exactly the type of justification being used for the NBN. So don't be shy, what am I missing? Help me (and other knuckle-draggers) understand...can you do this without petty insults? |
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This needs to be put into somesort of perspective. Like most are saying but what about the hospitals and putting the money there sound like a good idea to me but, i'm sure there is a better place than NBN of a cost of some 38 billion that is sure to blow out. When also lookin down at a possible recession, if that makes any differance to the whole matter.
There are things like road upgrades rail networks what ever else they could think of surely than making another destraction to life than the internet. Yeah it gets us this great forum, gaming, emailing, video links, downloads, uploads, that are doing it fine, now we will get it so some doctor in india can prescribe me something to help my hemroids!! Which i believe can be done already. Then something i don't think we need that much will be forced to use. Does that mean that if i dont pay to get NBN to my door that i will have to use wireless or are they goner try to can that or better still attach a wire to it and still call it wireless!! Just sounds like a kid getting a new toy when i hear the arguments from the fores of NBN like a spoilt brat not knowing whats good for him only hearing how much it costs and how fast it goes.
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Wirlankarra yanama
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Another 10 benefits here: http://apcmag.com/life-in-the-nbns-world.htm |
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Explain to me why, in terminology of 1995 (when dsl started), using only applications of the time (no such thing as social networking etc.) why there should be $bazillions spent on a 3G mobile phone system or copper based last mile technology when we had just spent $bazillion on the DMO and implementing RIMs into new developments? Or better still, why shift from analogue mobile phones to GSM when the analogue had far better range and tolerance to interference? Some years ago a group of people in a position of influence in the only telco in Australia decided that FAX was of no real use and TELEX would be all people would ever need. They could not think of a situation where TELEX would not be the solution. Do you think you could explain the advantages of e-mail to a group of 20 year olds in 1975? The world evolves and those who think ahead are the ones who will shape it.... |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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as for those arguing about not putting money into other infrastructure or services (hospitals), how many of you are fully aware of what's going on around the country or even in just your area?? get your head out of the agenda driven Murdoch newspapers, stop listening to talk back radio sensationalism and actually do some research. it's mind boggling to see the amount of work going on around the place. i attended a book launch earlier this week where a school principal spoke about how grateful they were to finally have been able to build new facilities at their school for the first time in over 30 years because of the governments program. as i said earlier, the feds tried to take over responsibility for the hospital system nationwide but the states all rejected it...
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As for talk back radio sensationalism, yes, certain broadcasters are way over the top and do us a disservice, but not all. I think you give them more credit than they deserve as not everyone is brainwashed. Having said that, is someone who disagrees with the current government and shares the same opinions as certain broadcasters and newspapers not "fully aware" of what's going on? The biggest issue I see with the NBN is the lack of credibility this governement has with running any kind of scheme sucessfully. Howard didn't spend, now Rudd\Gillard seem to have gone too far the other way and in too much of a hurry. Who was it that said they (Labour) had "failed to dot the i's and cross the t's" with the insulation scheme? In any case I don't think most people would object to a new piece of infrastructure that filled a need and was managed properly. The current gov has a poor track record and thus most people are cynical. That's my 2 cents worth. Intresting thread |
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Less than 10% of houses had telephones. Australia has one of the least dense population in the developed world (you are obviously excepted) and in order to connect all of the new customers remote integrated multplexers were installed in the middle of new sites with a bearer, usually fibre, back to a central exchange. This allowed an extremely low cost way of attaching thousands of services on quickly. Unfortunately the DSL bit of ADSL is not very fibre friendly and while a 2Mb E1 could handle 30+ concurrent vioce connections it is still only 2Mb so highspeed data was difficult. DMO was the first NBN which was 100% Government and the reason why there were affordable phones in the 80s. |
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And the other major factor for justifying it is (what a lot of people fail to comprehend, including that religious cook Tony Abbott) is that fibre travels at the speed of light, even in 500yrs when internet is a million times faster these exact same cables will still be in use as they'll never become obsolete. It's been done correctly/planned for the future as opposed to greedy right wing baby boomers planning everything for themselves with no regard for anyone/the next generation. The potential of data this network can handle is overwhelming, for example: Phones, tv channels, billing, banking, education/any form of data can be utilized through it, it already can but not on a national/global scale. This is a relaible static connection, like 1984 lol. Saying all that the purpose is completely defeated because we still have "Tony Abbott's" trying to ******* capitalise off tax payer funded hardware therefore implementing data limits that restrict any form of progress this technology can offer. So there you go a massive utopian worldwide network with uncapped potential for filesharing/socialising completely restricted yet again by right wing pigs. You can't beat them, they're always going to destroy evolution/progress, may as well ******* vote liberal next time.
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Wirlankarra yanama
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Fibre doesn't travel at all, otherwise it wouldn't work. The speed of light in a vacuum is calculated at 299,792,458 metres per second. The speed of light in fibre optic cable is quite a bit slower. Fibre network requires regular maintenance, over its life, as you say 500 years (whatever it may actually be) the NBN fibre cables will be replaced a couple of times over. Not to mention the odd backhoe cutting the link. Apart from these corrections, most of your response was just ranting and wrong too. |
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Far less maintanance than the current ADSL network, don't take my comparison out of context and turn it into something general.
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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looks like good value to me I would get double my current data with significantly faster throughput for the same price I'm paying now
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I currently pay Optus $79 a month for Adsl2 that averages 2.2mb/s and 120gb of data, plus unlimited local calls. The NBN would have to be very attractive price wise for me to want to leave my current provider.
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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While our hospitals are bleeding dry at least we can have quick porn. This is another stupid waste of money.
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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But you will be able to see a doctor from home with the NBN. (thats a joke by the way for those playing at home)
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maybe you should stop downloading porn and look further into the future than 5min... or maybe you'd like to be back in the 1950's with the mad monk?? also i believe the feds tried to take the hospitals off the states hands and the states knocked it back...
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Please enlighten us with the real benefits. |
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Companies in Perth that are lucky enough to have internet at all are paying $950 per month for 2M/2M (bdsl multiplex telstra).
I know of companies that have to either have a vivid wireless shared between 25 staff members.. or fork out for 12grand for a m/wave install. And this is all within 20km of the cbd. So the pricing being advertised is not that bad. |
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mines 150 a month for this speed...same as the NBN already in melbourne. ![]() |
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Ever had to speak to a dying loved one on skype who perhaps took a turn for the worst before you can jump on a plane/train to get to them in time? You idiot. |
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1. Yes, off campus is not a problem depending on what course you are doing. Feedback issues are usually related to slack staff not the speed of the connection. We regularly used skype or conference type systems. Sure it could get choppy from time to time but it works fine 95% of the time. 2. While its nice we have the tech to talk to people anywhere, anytime, we seemed to have coped for many years previous to this. People pass away, and theres not much you can do other than enjoy their company before they do. Just like the carbon tax saving the kids, bringing emotion into a debate results in nothing but name throwing. |
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I can see the benefit for far reaching communities - and the question 'why not have it?' is a valid one. I do, however, question the cost to implement such an initiative (just like all other Gov funded 'initiatives'...I question, what's really in it for them?). What's the catch?
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