Buying car off a disqualified driver.. trouble?

dylancox · 22-08-2010, 06:49 PM

A mate of mine's offering me a good price on his car as he's just recently been disqualified for 12 months. Just wondering am I going to he continually hassled and pulled over by cops (this is in victoria btw)

because its rego plate would come up on the cops' computers as being disqualified or something like that? Can anybody enlighten me on how the cops perform rego/disqualified checks on vehicles and drivers with the new ANPR, etc. tech.

Kryton · 22-08-2010, 06:51 PM

The rego is of no concern, they check the drivers details, meaning the license number.
Unless the car itself attracts attention, you shouldnt have any issues.

dylancox · 22-08-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

The rego is of no concern, they check the drivers details, meaning the license number.
Unless the car itself attracts attention, you shouldnt have any issues.

I'd thought if they were smart, they'd somehow pay special attention to cars or have something logged on their computers for the cars owned by the said driver at time of disqualification. My mate said they asked him if the car was his and he said 'yes' when he was writing out the ticket.

cheers.

Kryton · 22-08-2010, 06:58 PM

They put 'notes' on the persons file, not the car info, like if they are known to be a hoon, it will come up when they are checked.

They ask if you own the car as a form of checking honesty.
They are going to check the details of the car anyway, so if it isnt yours, may as well just say so as they are going to find out anyway.

If it is really a concern to you, just get new plates issued to the car, its only $45 or so.

FPV GT · 27-08-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

They put 'notes' on the persons file, not the car info, like if they are known to be a hoon, it will come up when they are checked.

Not 100% correct. Well not in NSW.

There is the facility for a narrative to be assigned to a number plate on the system. When the plate is run, any intel that belongs to the car is brought up.
Example.
Friend's daughter bought a second hand car. Unbeknown to her it was pre-owned by a convicted drug dealer. Every time her plate was run, on come the lights, questions asked and a few times the car was searched.
On one of these occasions I was with her. I had a scanner with me and heard the plate being run and the details of where the car had been used.

She contacted the RTA / Police, but was unable to "clean" the mess up, she traded the car in and lost money on it to be rid of the hassle.

Regards
Paul

geckoGT · 22-08-2010, 06:58 PM

As long as you transfer it into your name, when they do a rego check and it no longer has his details flash up, you do not have a problem. If you have left it in his name, they do a random rego check and you will be pulled over, without a doubt.

Supercharged · 22-08-2010, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

As long as you transfer it into your name, when they do a rego check and it no longer has his details flash up, you do not have a problem. If you have left it in his name, they do a random rego check and you will be pulled over, without a doubt.

I would agree with gecko, once rego is transfered it won't be linked to him any more, if still worried change the plates.

dylancox · 22-08-2010, 07:28 PM

Thanks guys for the info, seems your a great bunch. Just spoke with him before, and the car was actually financed by his mum and the rego is actually her name, not his.

Anyways, there's not much hassle involved with transferring the name over and getting new plates? Wondering whats the go with stamp duty and that?..

Riksta · 22-08-2010, 07:42 PM

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...BuyingSelling/

Might help out a bit.

You also mention the car was "financed" - if this means there's an encumbrance on it (ie wtill under finance with a finance company) you might want to look into any issues that may cause when buying it.

Kryton · 22-08-2010, 07:49 PM

Yep.
If there is ANY finance owing on it - walk away.
You need a current RWC for it to be transferred and registered in your name.
Also, use this link below to check if there is any encumbrance on the car.
All you need is the rego number for it to check (its free to use).
http://www.vehiclestatuscheck.vicroa...u/Default.aspx

If there is an encumbrance, you need to speak to the woman who financed it.
If she claims it is all paid off, ask for the piece of paper from the finance company that states this.
If she cant provide it - walk.
If you buy the car, and she fails to continue paying it off, it gets repo'd from YOU - and you lose everything.
There is no compensation, you dont get to keep the car - nothing.
YOU will have to take her to court to get anything back.

**Full Noise** · 22-08-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

Yep.
If there is ANY finance owing on it - walk away.
You need a current RWC for it to be transferred and registered in your name.
Also, use this link below to check if there is any encumbrance on the car.
All you need is the rego number for it to check (its free to use).
http://www.vehiclestatuscheck.vicroa...u/Default.aspx

If there is an encumbrance, you need to speak to the woman who financed it.
If she claims it is all paid off, ask for the piece of paper from the finance company that states this.
If she cant provide it - walk.
If you buy the car, and she fails to continue paying it off, it gets repo'd from YOU - and you lose everything.
There is no compensation, you dont get to keep the car - nothing.
YOU will have to take her to court to get anything back.

Some really good advice there.

However, if you really want the car, there’s another way of doing this.

Ask her how much is owed on the car and ask for the finance details. Then ring the finance company to verify that she’s telling the truth.

If she is, once you’ve agreed to the price, get two bank cheques, one for her amount and one for the finance company’s amount. If she isn’t prepared to do this, tell her where to go.

flappist · 22-08-2010, 08:06 PM

Depends on where you are and how much "profile" your mate has. If you are in a smaller city and he has been a bit naughty then there is a good chance the car is known. This is what they traffic branch do for a living and usually they are pretty good at it.

Change the rego.

dylancox · 22-08-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Depends on where you are and how much "profile" your mate has. If you are in a smaller city and he has been a bit naughty then there is a good chance the car is known. This is what they traffic branch do for a living and usually they are pretty good at it.

Change the rego.

My mate actually had a perfect driving record and no speeding fines, etc in Melbourne itself. He lives near me and used to make a fair amount of money doing 'cannonball runs', basically express interstate deliveries to adelaide in his xr6 turbo and would do a one way trip in just under 5 hours.

He only got done once by a cop (victoria, near western border) hiding up a farm's driveway he reckons, and hence the 12 mth suspension.

So, from this, do you guys reckon the car would be 'well known'?

**Full Noise** · 22-08-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dylancox

So, from this, do you guys reckon the car would be 'well known'?

If this is the case, look for another car.

dylancox · 22-08-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

If this is the case, look for another car.

Had a test drive the other day and fell in love

and I can't find a better price elsewhere. The car didn't get impounded or anything, the cop let him keep driving

.

Anyway will do more research, thanks for all your help.

flappist · 22-08-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dylancox

My mate actually had a perfect driving record and no speeding fines, etc in Melbourne itself. He lives near me and used to make a fair amount of money doing 'cannonball runs', basically express interstate deliveries to adelaide in his xr6 turbo and would do a one way trip in just under 5 hours.

He only got done once by a cop (victoria, near western border) hiding up a farm's driveway he reckons, and hence the 12 mth suspension.

So, from this, do you guys reckon the car would be 'well known'?

Change the rego

Ghiadude · 22-08-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Change the rego

i concur

**Full Noise** · 22-08-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dylancox

He lives near me and used to make a fair amount of money doing 'cannonball runs', basically express interstate deliveries to adelaide in his xr6 turbo and would do a one way trip in just under 5 hours.

If you buy it, just make sure that there’s no “residue” from the “freight” that he used to transport to Adelaide.

I used to do express deliveries to Adelaide, except I did it in a B-Double. Knowing about freight volumes and what you earn travelling over there, the “freight” he used to cart must have been very valuable.

DoreSlamR · 22-08-2010, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

If you buy it, just make sure that there’s no “residue” from the “freight” that he used to transport to Adelaide.

I used to do express deliveries to Adelaide, except I did it in a B-Double. Knowing about freight volumes and what you earn travelling over there, the “freight” he used to cart must have been very valuable.

Can't imagine cannon balls would be very valuable, unless there's lot's of pirates that I haven't heard about in Adelaide...

Auslandau · 22-08-2010, 10:13 PM

The upshot is....... Just do the same as you would with any private sale purchase. Nothing different and really is absolutely no dramatics required.

Just follow the rules of purchasing. Make sure the title is clear, no finance remaing, rwc supplied is above board and ensure the reg is transferred asap. There is a nothing else required ...... Just do what Vic roads require.

Usually easier buying a known car than buying one from eBay ..... Can't see the drama?

Riksta · 22-08-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DoreSlamR

Can't imagine cannon balls would be very valuable, unless there's lot's of pirates that I haven't heard about in Adelaide...

Yarr we be well alive in our caves with our rum and wenches down here ye scurvy sea dog!

Yarr.

dylancox · 22-08-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

If you buy it, just make sure that there’s no “residue” from the “freight” that he used to transport to Adelaide.

I used to do express deliveries to Adelaide, except I did it in a B-Double. Knowing about freight volumes and what you earn travelling over there, the “freight” he used to cart must have been very valuable.

if that freight had residue, he wouldnt be talking to me right now after the incident with the cops haha. It was actually a mix of confidential business documents and large sum cash payments to veg growers in SA.

Thornie · 23-08-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dylancox

if that freight had residue, he wouldnt be talking to me right now after the incident with the cops haha. It was actually a mix of confidential business documents and large sum cash payments to veg growers in SA.

I dunno if that sounds even more suss or wat, hahaha

dylancox · 22-08-2010, 08:07 PM

Thanks davway, great advice.

FG XR · 22-08-2010, 08:29 PM

if your that concerned get the plates changed

dylancox · 22-08-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyote V8

if your that concerned get the plates changed

Is getting a 'Custom Mix Plate' on the VicRoads website same as getting plates changed?

Kryton · 22-08-2010, 09:29 PM

Sounds like it was a one off anyway, so it wont be a car that stands out to the Police.
Dont really see what your concerned about, its not like he cuts a million laps every week and does burnout up the main street.
Buy the car, drive it and see how you go.
If you attract any attention, it will be because YOU attracted the attention to yourself, not because of a one off in another town a 500km away.

Dave3911 · 22-08-2010, 11:47 PM

No need to worry about new plates what so ever.

The minute you change the rego into your name, that'll be the end of any connection to the previous owner as far as ANPR intercepts go. The only time you may come into any kind of problem is for one day, the day you pick up the car and take the paperwork to Vicroads.

The ANPR cars & Vans in VIC dont work on a live database and "cars of interest" are downloaded into it's database prior to each shift.... so theoretically you could pick up the car at 9am, go straight to Vicroads at 10am and go past an ANPR site later in the day and get flagged for a possible suspended driver. Even if that did happen, all that would occur would you'd be pulled over, asked to provide your license and blow in the bag. On your way in 2 minutes. Hardly the end of the world.

Storm in tea cup really. If the price is right, you like the car and all the other encumbrance and finance issues pan out - buy it & dont have a second thought.

Kryton · 26-08-2010, 10:48 PM

Any word.....

Did you end up looking into it or buying it?

dylancox · 26-08-2010, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

Any word.....

Did you end up looking into it or buying it?

Didnt end up buying it

, thanks anyway.